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shawn79

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ALRIGHT FOLKS...let me start by saying that I'm a poor man with bills and a 2 yr old. That in mind I can't forgo (sp?) food for a knife, so I have done mucho researcho and come with this solution for my survival/camping knife needs:

The big knife for chopping and such: Khukuri House Online's Soldier No.1. Not a bad price and my wife is buying it for me for father's day. I've heard nothing but good things about KH and HI, and of the two KH has the better prices for, what I can tell is the same quality knife.

The small knife for fine work (traps and such): CS Roach Belly. 4116 Krupp Steel isn't bad steel and will retain an edge fairly enough-and at 18 bucks shipped...you know the rest.

Anyhow..feedback or opinions. Just bear in mind-working class loser who loves to hunt, fish, camp, track and survive trying to get the most bang for his buck. So no "can I suggest the 130.00 CS knife instead?" stuff...
 
Sell your PC, stop camping, and get a more positive view of life, instead of this poor loser story. That'll allow more time and $$$ for your 2 yr old.
 
Estwing sportsman axe for chopping $38.00 made in U.S.A good warrenty. Any small to medium size fixed blade or sturdy lock blade. I have always camped with a Buck 110 $38.00 U.S made , lifetime warrenty. Last year I started using a fixed blade for camping a Vanguard by Buck also. I hear alot of good things about Mora, but I don't like the way the look. I have more expensive knives than these that I have mentioned but they are good knives at a good price and if you do lose them camping your not kicking yourself too long.
 
well, I can understand the money situation, Im in the same place, but I've got to say, its gone pretty good, you just gotta save for a little longer. Look for mora, okapi, and various buck knives. As to the chopper, its going to depend on where you live, a more boreal area, get an axe for sure, if not get a kuk. As for axes look for wetterlings, Fiskars and gerber.
 
I would get a Mora over the CS. The CS most likely is a good knife, but Moras are just as inexpensive and are solid and proven. I like the carbon steel better too.
 
+1 on the carbon steel mora. For around $100 you can get a leuku/pukko combo from Ragnar it makes a great knife combination for almost anything.
 
Yeah, I would have gone with the Mora instead of the CS too, but, hey man, I think those choices will serve you very well.
 
I would get a Mora over the CS. The CS most likely is a good knife, but Moras are just as inexpensive and are solid and proven. I like the carbon steel better too.

DEFINATELY get a Mora. They are cheaper, hold an edge longer, and are better slicers. :thumbup: for Mora's!
 
I'm with you on the expenses, etc. I also hear you about the kids, having quite a kid collection of my own. (The REALLY expensive thing is when you succumb to the temptation to start buying knives for the kids!)

Here's what I'd do:
1. Get familiar with eBay. If you go for non-fad knives, you can land pretty good deals there. I like your "one little and one big" idea, as that gives you more versatility than trying to get a single do-it-all knife, and also some automatic backup in case one slips into the lake, snaps, etc. For the little knife, consider maybe a used Boy Scout (or Girl Scout) knife, in plain old high carbon steel.

2. Or maybe you want a fixed-blade small knife? The knives made in Mora, Sweden are excellent for this. My best luck on these has been using "Mora Knife" as search terms on eBay, and at www.ragweedforge.com --go to that page and look for the Swedish Knives category. You can get a very decent knife for your purposes for about $10 US plus a flat $5 shipping charge, last I checked. Consider the Erikssons or Frosts #1 or #2; also consider the Frosts Clipper and Triflex Craftsman. Each of these is about $10-$12, I think, and all are excellent knives.

3. For a bigger chopper, the Khukuri House one might be good--I've read mixed reviews of KH. You can usually score an inexpensive Himalayan Imports knife by lurking at the H.I. forum at around noon (nowadays) Nevada time. Refresh your page often and look for a post from the proprietress, named "Yangdu", that'll have a title like "Blems and Best Buys for 6/11" (look for the date in the title). More days than not, she'll offer a few knives that are either slightly blemished (say, a little rust, or a minor, not-really-weakening crack in the handle material). Lengths are given in inches overall, handle included, so a 15" British Army Service model will have about 10 inches of blade, for example. For your big chopper, you'll therefore not want to go below about 14 inches at a minimum. Upside is that they'll usually come with a functional "karda", which is a small knife kind of like a miniature Mora knife; it's stuck into a sub-sheath in the back of the scabbard. Best news is that the "blems" on the H.I. forum can run as low as $50, give or take--she had a light, martial-arts-style khukuri up for sale, missing its scabbard, today for $45, I think. These prices INCLUDE shipping in the U.S. The trick is that other regulars know this stuff too, so you have to be ready to e-mail Yangdu with your request to buy--this includes which knife, your name and mailing address, and method of payment--before one of the others lurking around in search of bargains does so. The real "sharks" tend to sit on their computers with an e-mail already mostly composed and ready to send as soon as they can fill in the exact description and price.

4. If $50-65 is still a bit much (which, realistically, it may be--I know, brother, diapers are expensive!), you might consider going with just a hatchet for your chopping tool. For an inexpensive but light hatchet, you might consider hitting eBay for a Cold Steel Frontier Hawk tomahawk or Trail Hawk; I'd stay away from the very-heavy Rifleman's Hawk, but that's personal preference talking. For a step up, consider Fort Turner's tomahawks--these are hand-forged, and can be had for maybe $45 apiece; customer service is out of this world.

5. A lot less character than the hand-forged khukuris, but you might also consider a big Bowie for your chopper blade. In your sub-$50 price range, you can probably find on eBay a Western Cutlery W-49 Bowie if you get creative with your search terms and give yourself two or three weeks to sift through the various offerings. You can usually also find someone who's selling an Ontario "Marine Raider" Bowie for under $50 shipped, and that's a very tough knife (much tougher than their lightweight "Survival Bowie"). Another very underrated big chopper for under $50 shipped is Ka-Bar's "Large Heavy Bowie", model 1277. In spite of the "Large Heavy" in the name, it's not all that heavy a knife, but it's still quite tough, and has a nice, flat grind that will let you actually slice things as well as chop. If your hands are tiny, you might find it a bit unwieldy, but if they're ordinary size, you might really like it.

If what you're after is a sure thing, can-buy-it-right-now pair of knives for not much, and you're not holding out for hand-forged artisanship, you could do a LOT worse than getting a Ka-Bar 1277 from one of the cheaper eBay sellers and a Mora of whatever kind takes your fancy at Ragweed Forge.

Good luck! And have fun with that toddler of yours!
 
I am not familiar with the 2 you have selected, but here are my picks for an outdoorsman on a tight budget -

Must have:

SAK with a wood saw. I would suggest one with 3 layers for pocket carry such as the Vic. Hiker, Camper (same as the Hiker but with a corkscrew instead of a Phillips screw driver on the back) or Farmer (Alox scales). These not too expensive new, but you might save a few bucks on a used one.

4” fixed blade hunting knife. A Frost Mora Clipper would be the lowest cost one I would recommend, but unless you are carrying a larger “chopper” of some sort for heavy work, I would much prefer something with a full tang for a bit of extra strength. The one that I would suggest is the Ghrohmann DH Russell No. 1 Belt Knife, which can be had in kit form for a very low price. The kit comes with a finished leather sheath, a finished and sharpened blade; all that you have to do is set the rivets to attach the scales to the tang and sand and finish the scales.


Optional but nice to have -

Folding wood saw. My pick is the Finnish made Fiskars/Gerber saw with the retractable blade. This saw is very light weight and low cost - safer and more efficient than a hatchet or big chopping blade too.


CS SF Shovel. I found the CS version of the old Soviet E-tool to chop much better that a tomahawk (CS Trailhawk), to serve as a passable machete (as long as you are not cutting light grasses and such) and oh yeah, you can dig with it too!


Machete. For clearing brush a machete is the way to go, can also be very useful as a big camp knife. My favorite is the 18” Ontario with the orange D guard handles, but the CS 18” Latin machete is a very good lower cost alternative. The Tramontina machetes also give very good performance for very little $.



More important than how much you spend is how much you get out and how much fun you have while you’re there!





Frank
 
For a mid size folder look at the Byrd (Spyderco) Cara - Cara. An oustanding choice for around $20. For the big dog you need I'd look at the CS SRK or Bushman, again, excellent values in heavy use knives.

Good luck!

NJ
 
thanks folks. as far as the little one...he already has a bow waiting on him. and a friend of mine who taught me everything i know about survival owns one of the hollow handled fiskars axes...he says nothing but good things about it.

i had thought about the kabar knives...the kuk in particular. I like the fact that the blade on a kuk is always presented at a cutting edge. i've eyeballed the heavy bowie too...
 
Kabar has a kukh style blade too. Although I believe the heavy bowie is stronger. Actually if you could get a better sheath for a tramontina that would be the cheapest chopper and fairly durable too.
 
Sell your PC, stop camping, and get a more positive view of life, instead of this poor loser story. That'll allow more time and $$$ for your 2 yr old.

First off, welcome to Blade Forums Shawn79. JGarth is a resident of the phucktards list. He isn't representative of what BF has to offer. Frank K has some good advice, and the rest here is pretty good too.
 
First off, welcome to Blade Forums Shawn79. JGarth is a resident of the phucktards list. He isn't representative of what BF has to offer.

I'll add my apology for the impolite reception as well, it's against BF rules and won't happen again
 
Thanks, Joe. Sorry Shawn, ditto on the apology. All good suggestions - I like SAK & Mora for good cheap knives, and a Wetterling (axes) give a lot of bang for the buck, too. Also a nice fold-up saw can be handy. I second the military style shovel recommendation, too.
 
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