Survival Ethics Scenario -- Humorous (kinda)

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This is a NON SERIOUS scenario that has been prompted in my head by the series Lost. I don't condone murder just because I posted this.

If you were in their shoes (Lost) would it be wrong to kill most of those people who are likely to get you killed or at least make survival more challenging?

Examples include:

Anna Lucia - totaly unhinged paranoid power control freak with bad gun habbits

Sawyer - greedy dishonest

Pregnant girl

Enormous overweight guy

There are others. OR would you get the hell away from all the other survivors who would suck up your resources and may have the same idea I had in this thread?:p
 
Never watched that show. . .
If you were going to start murdering the people you are with, I think you would have to kill them all- or any left might turn you in.

Like when the skipper killed gilligan, so the professor fried him in a coconut powered electric chair.
 
Scout the area, collect your gear and slip away under the cover of darkness. Cover your backtrail so no one can follow and maybe even leave a trail they can follow that leads them away from your true location. Then sit back and watch them self destruct.
 
longbow50 said:
Scout the area, collect your gear and slip away under the cover of darkness. Cover your backtrail so no one can follow and maybe even leave a trail they can follow that leads them away from your true location. Then sit back and watch them self destruct.
That would be your best bet I would think. If it's gotten to the point your in danger from stupidity then slip away and watch the show.:D
 
longbow50 said:
Scout the area, collect your gear and slip away under the cover of darkness. Cover your backtrail so no one can follow and maybe even leave a trail they can follow that leads them away from your true location. Then sit back and watch them self destruct.

This seems like the wisest possible action. If there are lots of survivors it would seem like a bad thing to stay around. People would be the most dangerous predator anyway. Safety in numbers, then, is only relevant in civilization?
 
aproy1101 said:
Safety in numbers, then, is only relevant in civilization?
Sad but it seems to be true. Not everyone has the mindset that we do. They panic and go into "survivor show mode" and pick alliences to plot against each other with. I find it amusing.
 
bishop85gt said:
Sad but it seems to be true. Not everyone has the mindset that we do. They panic and go into "survivor show mode" and pick alliences to plot against each other with. I find it amusing.

LOL. True. Its amusing on a tv show, but if your ship sunk and you're stuck with 100 desperate survivors its a situation you must consider. You're skills and resources are either going to benefit you, or your time is going to be used to take care of all those idiots. If its a long term stranded situation does that change the ethics? Rat? Would you still be worried about the law if you weren't ever going to be rescued?
 
Wow , you are bloodthirsty today . L:O:L

Didn,t you forget a couple in your paring down of your partners in paradise ?You better hope you never make it back to civilisation unless you take care of the witnesses as well. L:O:L

I don,t watch the show too much . It would be hard to say unless I was dumped in the xcenario . The first person I would get rid of would be the one thinking of getting rid of other people .L:O:L
 
Kevin the grey said:
Wow , you are bloodthirsty today . L:O:L

Didn,t you forget a couple in your paring down of your partners in paradise ?You better hope you never make it back to civilisation unless you take care of the witnesses as well. L:O:L

I don,t watch the show too much . It would be hard to say unless I was dumped in the xcenario . The first person I would get rid of would be the one thinking of getting rid of other people .L:O:L

I'm watching out for you too Kevin. LOL. Would that be justified. Anna Lucia is on the original list. She's a killer. What about after she killed someone out of paranoid overreaction?
 
aproy1101 said:
LOL. True. Its amusing on a tv show, but if your ship sunk and you're stuck with 100 desperate survivors its a situation you must consider. You're skills and resources are either going to benefit you, or your time is going to be used to take care of all those idiots. If its a long term stranded situation does that change the ethics? Rat? Would you still be worried about the law if you weren't ever going to be rescued?
What was that movie where the kids get stuck on an island? It was a good movie they made it twice...anyway. Yeah I would think the law would be of little concern. Except of course the law we all live by everyday. You know what makes us different from the monsters like John Wayne Gacy or Carltin Fisk and a bunch of other not so nice people.. Morals I think would be the law of the land at that point.

Another point though is being alone. I mean all the other survivors are getting stupid and will most likely get you killed but to be alone for any real time would drive you crazy. Les Stroud pointed that out on one of his shows. It makes sence. Remember the movie cast away? How would you have done? I would have survived but I don't know if I could have come back and been right in the head...

There I go again typing my fingers off. Sorry. lol
 
See. Thats a good point. Loneliness could be more dangerous than the other people. Maybe drag one of the hot chicks off with you? LOL. Could you find a pet to help with the lonliness?
 
aproy1101 said:
See. Thats a good point. Loneliness could be more dangerous than the other people. Maybe drag one of the hot chicks off with you? LOL. Could you find a pet to help with the lonliness?

Maybe all I would need is a volleyball with a bloody handprint face. I would have my buddy Voit to talk to then.;)

I don't know how I would behave if there was no chance of rescue. Seems like there would always be a chance. I do think a survival situation would make you less likely to put up with $#&@ that would lessen your chance of survival.
 
That avatar is friggin hilarious by the way.
 
I wouldn't kill Ana, she's pretty hot. I'd also make friends quick with Mr. Eko. Charlie has the right idea being his boy.

After that, I'd try to form an "alliance" with Zeke of the others and convince nutbag Danielle to keep wandering around our new perimeter with her '06 while I try to trade some Dharma fish crackers for Walt so I can finally get Michael to shut the f@$k up!

WAAAALLLLLLTTTTT!!!!!!!
 
This is a really good thread idea, aproy1101. It's one of those topics that gets you thinking and keeps you thinking.

I've only watched a portion of one "Lost" episode...I guess that I'll have to purchase the DVD and watch the series. How come Anna Lucia hasn't already killed everyone, if she's such a killer? Not enough bullets, or something...? Did you suspend your disbelief when Locke miraculously regained his ability to walk, after the airplane crash...? I saw the episode where Locke was wheelchair-bound before the flight...and it was too much for me to take that the airplane crash somehow "cured" him.

I've seen the old movie version of William Golding's "Lord of the Flies," in class, I believe, back in the days when 'Lord of the Flies' was required reading. Having a bunch of 12- to 14-year-old boys castaway on an island was scary enough, back when I was fourteen.

It's a tough call, this thread. I'm torn, each way. Getting killed by another castaway would be bad, but, so would be going insane, because there aren't any other people around. Man is a social animal, and being alone is nearly as dangerous, maybe more so, than having other people around.

If you knock off just the ones that you're worried about killing you, or, perhaps, those that would be wasting supplies, you're going to have to do it in complete secret, or else the rest of the group will get to decide if you stay, for you, and they might not respond well to your reasoning for the "elimination(s)." Being stranded on a (apparently) deserted island will take its toll on the survivors anyway, probably without one having to resort to the extreme measure of killing the others in the group.

Anna Lucia is only a suspected killer, right...? That is the only explanation I can conjure up for why she hasn't already been exiled. The "enormous overweight guy" should have lost some serious amounts of weight, since "Lost" is in its, what, third season...? If "enormous overweight guy" is maintaining his enormousness, then he's eating just as much while he's on the island as he was before the plane crashed, right...? And, apparently, struggling on the island hasn't made him more physically fit...?

If you decide to sneak away in the middle of the night (how would one manage that, if there is a guard rotation duly posted, throughout the night...?) are you going to shun other people, for the same reasons as you've left the "Lost" group, or, try to join another group...? I don't think that assuming that another group will accept you into their group is reasonable. True, everyone on the "Lost" plane had their plane ride and plane crash in-common, but, other than that, they were all strangers to each other...but, they are the people that you would have most in-common with.

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Sorry, I'm being long-winded. "Lost" is just a TV show, and, as such, it demands that you suspend your disbelief. A paraplegic on an airplane along with his Zero Halliburton case of knives...? Oh, yes, that sounds realistic. ;)

This thread has gotten me thinking.... My plan, should something terrible happen, like a nuclear attack, or the Bird flu ("No one expects a Spanish Inquisition!" [Monty Python's Flying Circus]...or a hurricane named Katrina...), was to hang out and lie low for awhile, until things become calmed down a bit, trying to be one less wrung-neck chicken running-around on the interstate, not knowing what to do first. However, due to this thread, it's gotten me thinking about bugging out quickly, to be with others, like friends and loved ones, instead of hanging around here, where I don't have connections that tight.

Unfortunately, I think that if/when the SHTF, it'll be more along the lines of "The Lord of the Flies" rather than 'Lost'....

Thanks for a great thread topic!

GeoThorn
 
geothorn said:
This is a really good thread idea, aproy1101. It's one of those topics that gets you thinking and keeps you thinking.

I've only watched a portion of one "Lost" episode...I guess that I'll have to purchase the DVD and watch the series. How come Anna Lucia hasn't already killed everyone, if she's such a killer? Not enough bullets, or something...? Did you suspend your disbelief when Locke miraculously regained his ability to walk, after the airplane crash...? I saw the episode where Locke was wheelchair-bound before the flight...and it was too much for me to take that the airplane crash somehow "cured" him.

I've seen the old movie version of William Golding's "Lord of the Flies," in class, I believe, back in the days when 'Lord of the Flies' was required reading. Having a bunch of 12- to 14-year-old boys castaway on an island was scary enough, back when I was fourteen.

It's a tough call, this thread. I'm torn, each way. Getting killed by another castaway would be bad, but, so would be going insane, because there aren't any other people around. Man is a social animal, and being alone is nearly as dangerous, maybe more so, than having other people around.

If you knock off just the ones that you're worried about killing you, or, perhaps, those that would be wasting supplies, you're going to have to do it in complete secret, or else the rest of the group will get to decide if you stay, for you, and they might not respond well to your reasoning for the "elimination(s)." Being stranded on a (apparently) deserted island will take its toll on the survivors anyway, probably without one having to resort to the extreme measure of killing the others in the group.

Anna Lucia is only a suspected killer, right...? That is the only explanation I can conjure up for why she hasn't already been exiled. The "enormous overweight guy" should have lost some serious amounts of weight, since "Lost" is in its, what, third season...? If "enormous overweight guy" is maintaining his enormousness, then he's eating just as much while he's on the island as he was before the plane crashed, right...? And, apparently, struggling on the island hasn't made him more physically fit...?

If you decide to sneak away in the middle of the night (how would one manage that, if there is a guard rotation duly posted, throughout the night...?) are you going to shun other people, for the same reasons as you've left the "Lost" group, or, try to join another group...? I don't think that assuming that another group will accept you into their group is reasonable. True, everyone on the "Lost" plane had their plane ride and plane crash in-common, but, other than that, they were all strangers to each other...but, they are the people that you would have most in-common with.

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Sorry, I'm being long-winded. "Lost" is just a TV show, and, as such, it demands that you suspend your disbelief. A paraplegic on an airplane along with his Zero Halliburton case of knives...? Oh, yes, that sounds realistic. ;)

This thread has gotten me thinking.... My plan, should something terrible happen, like a nuclear attack, or the Bird flu ("No one expects a Spanish Inquisition!" [Monty Python's Flying Circus]...or a hurricane named Katrina...), was to hang out and lie low for awhile, until things become calmed down a bit, trying to be one less wrung-neck chicken running-around on the interstate, not knowing what to do first. However, due to this thread, it's gotten me thinking about bugging out quickly, to be with others, like friends and loved ones, instead of hanging around here, where I don't have connections that tight.

Unfortunately, I think that if/when the SHTF, it'll be more along the lines of "The Lord of the Flies" rather than 'Lost'....

Thanks for a great thread topic!

GeoThorn

I'll start by saying I'm glad someone really liked the topic. Again I think you're right GT its a weighty decision whether to stay or to go, and how you figure out who to trust, and who to shun. My family has a little farm in N. Mississippi far from everything. My plan in case of any "katrina esque" situation is to evacuate there. We're far enough away from Atlanta that I think we can head north into Tennessee and then over to Mississippi. I have a bag packed for emergencies of this type. Staying near cities is a bad idea IMHO. NO and Katrina got a lot of press last year. Less so was the chaos in S. Florida after their cat 3 storm kept them crippled for weeks. Masses of people are dangerous and ignorant.

Many of your questions are about the show. Yes I willingly suspended disbelief. Without that its not very entertaining. Locke was healed by the island, others on the island were too. Its part of the mystery. Anna Lucia hasn't killed anyone else because they took her gun. She killed two people before that. One was an "other" the other was an "accident" when an innocent, and super hot person, was mistaken for an "other" and killed without investigating. The enourmous guy is still able to eat because of food drops on the island.
 
I suppose due to needing company and also to have extra help in building shelters, latrine, etc. the smart thing would be to get the gun(s) and kill the men then enslave the women. You can toss the men's bodies in the ocean for the wildlife to take care of and as long as you pay attention and keep the women suitably scared and perhaps even tied up you should be good to go. If help shows up you waste the the ladies and claim you were the only man to escape when one of the other men went psycho and killed everyone. This is, of course, morally wrong and despite having been done countless times in the past by various groups ( thus giving us precedent ) is only a, umm, farfetched idea for a movie, yes, a movie...
 
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