SWAT and Paintball

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While this subject is not knife related I think everyone will find this amusing. It is a rather long article so I thought it best to only post part of it and the link to the whole article below.

Paintball vs. S.W.A.T.
by Escher <contributors.html>
Before I start into the story, I would like to state that I would have dearly loved to supply photos for the story. Unfortunately, due to the fact that we were playing against the SWAT, who were using this as a training environment, we were not allowed photographic equipment of any kind. Some of the pictures would have been good, but such is not to be. Live with it.
The “adventure” started out when Ben, who ran the local paintball games, called me up and asked if I wanted to play paintball...at night. Intrigued, I told him that I would, and that a friend, James by name, who had asked about paintball before would as well. Ben told me that the local SWAT team was using paintball in training and were in need of someone with whom they could train. To protect the innocent, I’m not going to tell the city where this was, because while the SWAT guys had fun, their training supervisor was...vexed to say the least.
The SWAT team was a bunch of really good guys. I just want to say that up front before I get into the story too far. They really made only one mistake. See, James and I were both experienced role-players, and the SWAT training let us decide what we wanted to do. In the first scenario, they told the three of us - Ben, myself, and James - that a police car had been driving through a neighborhood and had been fired upon from a house. That was it. Oh yeah, they said we had to restrict ourselves to the 2nd floor of this house. No biggie.
Briefly, I want to describe the layout of the 2nd floor. Imagine a backwards L as the hallway. At the base of the L were the stairs that the SWAT would have to climb. There were two rooms off of the hallway at the base as well. At the crook of the L, there was another room, with a bathroom going to the side once inside the room. And as the L went up to the top, there were two more rooms off to the left and one at the very top.
Ben positioned himself in one of the rooms at the base of the L and decided that he would be the “roll-over” of the group of three desperadoes. He would distract them while James and I picked them off. James came up with the idea that he was a hardened criminal who had been to prison twice already, and would not go back again for the mandatory life sentence. We set him up behind a desk in the middle part of the L, just about 20 feet past the corner. My idea was, well, somewhat more offbeat: I was a psychopath, plain and simple. I positioned myself at the corner in the room with the bathroom in it, giving myself a clear view of the stairway. Remember this - it will play an integral part later on in the story.

for rest of story :
http://www.teemings.com/issue09/paintball.html
 
The proof is in the pudding... for damn sure
 
What kind of paintball guns were used during the exercises? Also, does anyone know of any masks that can be worn comfortable over glasses?

Chris
 
Brass Eagle makes some large, bulbous masks that might go well over glasses. I am sure there are some devices specifically designed to accomadate goggles. Sounds like a high time was had by the bad guys. I love paintball, but can't afford to play that often and my gun needs to be fixed. Thanks for giving me my vicarious fix.
 
As both a trainer and someone who has played the "bad guy" in many many simunition scenarios over the years, I hope you came away with the same sense of "I sure learned a lot from that" that I did when I "went bad".

How was their light use? It sounds like, from your ability to single out targets in scenario #1, that either their light use was poor, or they need a lot more practice at covering flanking angles, or both. The porch light backlighting them in #2 suggests a lack of attention to that area, also.

The fact that they're still using paintball guns suggests that maybe they're relatively new to "impact ammo" training. I know that when our team started using simunitions it changed a lot of their formations and tactics...after experiencing exactly what the team you encountered did.

Sounds like everyone learned a lot...and it was good to see that they kept a good attitude about it, too.
 
One thing you might recommend for training scenarios with SWAT and such is Airsoft. The guns look and feel like the real deal and have realistic rates of fire compared to real guns.
 
One of the newest gadgets in impact training is a wax based round. They use standard firearm frames with a modified barrel. They hurt a whole heck of alot more than paintballs!

Also while your training day sure taught the officers that they were not supermen there is something that you should keep in mind. Had this been real, you would have been hit with FB and TG grenades and in the case of the LAPDs S.W.A.T. they would have had 50cal. Barretts equiped with F.L.I.R and thermographic scopes. You might even have to deal with armed robots:eek:. So they were not using every trick up their sleeve. But still is fun to kick butt sometimes:D.

JT makes a great mask that works well with glasses. It is the Flex 7. I have several F7 I.C.E. systems and love them. Don't let the $100 retail tag scare you, I picked mine up on Ebay NIB for about $29 each.

Also as of last notice the Brass Eagle goggle systems have been recalled due to a "safety issue" with the lense.
 
If you want a Flex 7 IZE at good prices, go to www.paintballgear.com
They have some of the colors for sale for 30.00ish.
Paintball is a lot of fun and affords the oppertunity to get out and keep feeling young.
 
Originally posted by extremefishin00
What kind of paintball guns were used during the exercises? Also, does anyone know of any masks that can be worn comfortable over glasses?

Chris

They *could* have used an AGD sydarm as their pistol. It was the only mass produced semi-automatic pistol at the time. It holds 8 rounds and is powered by a 12g co2 cartridge. The valve on this gun wasn't really designed for co2 and it can cause problems but you keep the liquid out and don't fire too fast it will work fine.

I'm an avid paintball player and also in the military. Most paintball does not translate well to a real world fire fight. Realisting training occurs only at a range close enough where ball drop and curve is negated. Even at close ranges someone who is more familiar with paintball than firearms is going to have to adjust their actions to create a realistic training environment. If I had to use paintball instead of simunitions I would arm the swat team with an electronic paintball gun, (angel, matrix, bushmaster, impulse ect) because they simulate the approximate size and weight of a mp5 and offer semi-auto, burst and FA fire. A tippmann pro-carbine is more like a m16/4 but it is mechanical and semi auto only so the rate of fire is somewhat lacking. Using paintball guns, true sniper roles aren't going to get very good training.

Scott BadBoy/Ass goggles used to be the best for over glasses applications however Scott has gotten out of the paintball business. JT makes the flex 7 which fits over most glasses, they also offer a frame which will hold glasses inside the mask for a nominal fee. You must use a good anti fog coating on any corrective lenses or you will be sorry. The best solution for corrective lenses in paintball is contacts however those can't be used in a tactical environment because of the tear gas.
 
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