sword identification help needed

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okay, so dug this out of the attic, no idea where its from, there's no stamp visible on it and im loathe to refurbish or clean it in any way in case i damage it or something. i dont even know if its just an old display sword or something, the edge of the blade is visibly damaged, the hilt seems to be brass or something similar, its about two feet long with a single handed grip. any help would be appreciated. how do i add pictures?
 
okay, so dug this out of the attic, no idea where its from, there's no stamp visible on it and im loathe to refurbish or clean it in any way in case i damage it or something. i dont even know if its just an old display sword or something, the edge of the blade is visibly damaged, the hilt seems to be brass or something similar, its about two feet long with a single handed grip. any help would be appreciated. how do i add pictures?
You can upload pictures to a hosting site and then use the links offered that have the
tags. Copy and paste those links.

I use www.tinypic.com frequently

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GC
 
I'd like to know if at the pommel,does the blade tang appear to protrude through and have been "peened", or is the pommel flat and smooth, where the little "knob" is on the very end?
In all honesty, I think it's a display or ceremonial sword, like another member suggested, and there are a few reasons for that. First, the pommel, guard, and hilt all appear to be cast as a single unit. Second, the detail isn't as crisp as you would hope to find on a "functional" sword. I don't think the grip is brass, brass doesn't "rust' like the sword you pictured, I think it's perhaps an alloy of some kind. there was some paint, or cheaply applied gilding in gold, that's worn away also, another sign of what we call a "wall-hanger". Edge damage could be the result of children playing with it, certainly if I were a boy and found that, I'd be itching to swing it at something, be it a tree or whatever. The lack of a scabbard is another clue, display pieces generally, but not always, come bare. It certainly has visual interest, but I'm fairly certain this would be labeled as a "sword-like object", rather than an actual sword. Just my opinion, someone else may know a lot more.
 
The sword looks more theatrical than fraternal/masonic. Certainly not in the current bible of American fraternal use. The casting detail is kind of crude and better seen from a distance so theatrical actually makes some sense, or even just "castle" decoration. It appears to have some age though and I would think a century old or a bit newer (20s-30s). The blade almost looks tinned/zinc plated and that also points to decorative.theatrical.

Cheers

GC
 
I'd like to know if at the pommel,does the blade tang appear to protrude through and have been "peened", or is the pommel flat and smooth, where the little "knob" is on the very end?
In all honesty, I think it's a display or ceremonial sword, like another member suggested, and there are a few reasons for that. First, the pommel, guard, and hilt all appear to be cast as a single unit. Second, the detail isn't as crisp as you would hope to find on a "functional" sword. I don't think the grip is brass, brass doesn't "rust' like the sword you pictured, I think it's perhaps an alloy of some kind. there was some paint, or cheaply applied gilding in gold, that's worn away also, another sign of what we call a "wall-hanger". Edge damage could be the result of children playing with it, certainly if I were a boy and found that, I'd be itching to swing it at something, be it a tree or whatever. The lack of a scabbard is another clue, display pieces generally, but not always, come bare. It certainly has visual interest, but I'm fairly certain this would be labeled as a "sword-like object", rather than an actual sword. Just my opinion, someone else may know a lot more.

i dont know what peened means but i'll describe it as best i can, the top of the blade where it meets the hilt goes under a flat(ish) rounded panel on both sides that touch the blade with their tips and have a space of maybe half a cm at the the top (i think these are called rain guards or something, to stop water getting inside the scabbard...?) i can see no sign of the tang prtruding through the metal of the hilt/pommel, there are no areas where the surface seems broken but then again im fairly sure its covered in a bad enamel (or cheap metal paint) job which could be hiding that type of thing, and i suppose i wont really know until i strip that away, i have not currently got the item as i sent it to a friend who knows this type of stuff, he also suspects wall hanger, possibly victorian or an italian souvenir he says.

i thought it might be a wall hanger too, if it was anything real i dont think it would have been hidden in the attic, but i suppose i was hoping it might be something a little more interesting if im honest. i've been putting off cleaning it up or doing anything to it in case i ended up ruining a genuine antique but if thats the case then i can polish it up and repair it so i can mount and display it at home.

thanks guys!! :)
 
would appear to be a wallhanger as said. The general (though by no means hard and fast) indicators to this in a modern though not new "Western" sword are the one piece hilt (exception for briquettes), the seemingly short tang, the crude casting, and the flat blade. those long parts of the hilt that come down along the blade are called "lagnets" a rain guard (drip guard) fits over the mouth of the sheath; lagnets may fit within it or over it in slots and their main purpose is to immobilize the sword from "lashing about" in the sheath. When they lie directly on the blade surface (which most don't) they also serve to stiffen and strengthen the blade base and the blade/tang junction. BTW I have seen many nice "real" old swords for sale that were found in attics, basements, sheds, barns, or for that matter buried in the ground.
 
oh, also there seems to be a crack in the metal where the grip joins the guard. Were the tang emergent or eventhreaded to a separate pommel this would be NBD but if this is indeed a short tang sword, particularly if (I didn't notice, but this is common) the blade is attached by a pin through the lagnets, this is alarmingly weakening. Wallhanger aside if you want to know if a "Western" blade is of quality metal flex it and see if it bends. Many "real" swords meant for use are low quality. Some wallhangers are good quality.
 
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