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Got you all beat. As a teen my English Lit teacher had us do a liberal version of one of Shakespeare's plays. I played Iago decked out in black overcoat and wore a Mason double edged ceremonial sword in crossdraw fashion. The thin blade and liberal swinging made good sound effects for lines.
Not to be stopped by my Highlander phase, I went to church once in the same rig. Kneeling can get noisy and you can not button up your coat.
Not to be stopped by my Highlander phase, I went to church once in the same rig. Kneeling can get noisy and you can not button up your coat.
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Not quite a sword, but for many years as a teen I wandered the California hills with 17"-21" blades on my belt. WW-I vintage bayonets or machetes. I've fenced foil and saber. I've got a few swords.
Ok, well at the moment I only have one. It is a museum replicas broadsword. It is, shall we say, a little large for concealing.
I was looking at the katans in the swords of the black wind collection from ontario knife company and I got to thinking that they look like they might actually be concealable with the right clothes. Be fun to try.
Kris
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I fight live steel Rapier and Main Gauch every weekend.
Just earned myself a WAY cool dueling scar under my left eye last weekend, my opponent's point caught me just under the eye and went STRAIGHT to the bone!
Yeah, I'm laughing now, but if he'd been .25 inches higher, that blade would have stopped at the back of my skull.
My wife wants to know why I don't bowl like other guys do.
Anyone got an answer I can give her?
Just earned myself a WAY cool dueling scar under my left eye last weekend, my opponent's point caught me just under the eye and went STRAIGHT to the bone!
Yeah, I'm laughing now, but if he'd been .25 inches higher, that blade would have stopped at the back of my skull.
My wife wants to know why I don't bowl like other guys do.
Anyone got an answer I can give her?
Stupidity. Not to pick on you, I'm just looking out for someone who shares my love. I fence regularly, almost exclusivly with heavier rapier blades. Wear a mask, no matter how good your partner is. They were developed along time ago for good reason (and even still, people still die from head shots with foil, not to mention rapier blades. Even period fencers used leather pads at the end of their tips and padded practice jackets. The only time people fought with out that level of protection was when they did just that, "fought". Get a mask. Christian Flecher makes a pretty nice fencing helm, as does Darkwood Armoury, both period-type pieces the provide adequate protection. Email me if you whant links to their sites. Stay safe, if not for your self, for your partners and your wife. (Sorry to sound like such a buzzkill to the forum, but I know how dangerous slips can be). Best of luck my friend.
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Kwheeler...
I just thought I'd mention that the Blackwind swords (at least the shorter models like the "Bengal") could be concealed quite easily under a coat. I'm not sure they'd be comfortable, but their slim profile would certainly make concealment a possibility - although an unlikely one. They are fun to chop things up with but the edge isn't too great. The grip, in fact, is terrible. However, for some full contact training with inanimate objects these swords do serve a purpose.
I just thought I'd mention that the Blackwind swords (at least the shorter models like the "Bengal") could be concealed quite easily under a coat. I'm not sure they'd be comfortable, but their slim profile would certainly make concealment a possibility - although an unlikely one. They are fun to chop things up with but the edge isn't too great. The grip, in fact, is terrible. However, for some full contact training with inanimate objects these swords do serve a purpose.
I happen to have an old 1860 light cavalry saber that my wife's great grandfather carried during the Civil War. He was a trooper in the First Vermont Cavalry.
It sits in the gun rack right beside his New Model 1859 Sharps carbine. The Sharps gets a lot more use than the saber does.
Mike
It sits in the gun rack right beside his New Model 1859 Sharps carbine. The Sharps gets a lot more use than the saber does.
Mike
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Ken, do you realize how dangerous bowling is? Think about it -- if that guy who caught you under the eye had done the same thing with a bowling ball, your head would have been crushed!
Anyone using a folding sword?
Very easy to conceal.
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D.T. UTZINGER
Very easy to conceal.
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D.T. UTZINGER
ZUT&ZUT,
Go to the Balisong forum. There have been some very large Balisong knife/swords. They are of historical significance. I am thinking of making one myself. Just trying to get they right size Ti for the handles.
I also talked to Bob Taylor at one time about making in folding sword using the Rolling lock with a Kydex shoulder holster. It never got beyond the "Wouldn't that be cool" stage.
Cheers,
ts
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Guns are for show. Knifes are for Pros.
Go to the Balisong forum. There have been some very large Balisong knife/swords. They are of historical significance. I am thinking of making one myself. Just trying to get they right size Ti for the handles.
I also talked to Bob Taylor at one time about making in folding sword using the Rolling lock with a Kydex shoulder holster. It never got beyond the "Wouldn't that be cool" stage.
Cheers,
ts
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Guns are for show. Knifes are for Pros.
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Not a sword, I tried holding my 20" khukuri in my right hip pocket at Tokyo Blade show in April with the handle toward outside (right side) and twist it a little, the butt end fit my right armpit. Quite stable and almost perfectly concealed under a jacket.
A kinda trouble that I was lucky enough to avoid. If I'd dropped my purse, I couldn't have picked it up. Had to keep my spine straight always or anyone would see something quite threatning is gonna sticking out under my jacket.
Needless to say, even concealed it is hard to quick drawy the blade.
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A kinda trouble that I was lucky enough to avoid. If I'd dropped my purse, I couldn't have picked it up. Had to keep my spine straight always or anyone would see something quite threatning is gonna sticking out under my jacket.
Needless to say, even concealed it is hard to quick drawy the blade.
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\(^o^)/ Mizutani Satoshi \(^o^)/
I know this seems like a joke to some people but I have taken it very seriously.
I did a search of the bible for the shortest blade that anyone called a sword.
The sword of Ehud measures either 13.5" or 18" according to how one interprets the evidence.
Gene Osborn of Center Cross Metal Works made a 13.5" version for me, to my design.
It looks like a large dagger.
It has the balance, weight, handle and blade geometry to compare favorably with a Bowie Knife of similar dimensions.
Gene made a sheath for it that hangs from its own belt and straps to the side of the thigh.
I can easily wear it underneath pleated trousers, like Levi Dockers, and could draw it through a front pants pocket if I chose to cut a hole in the bottom of the pocket.
I have worn it underneath overalls, and can access and draw it from the seated position.
The 13.5" version comes from interpretations of the passages concerning Ehud's sword that indicate he might have strapped the blade to the inside of his thigh in order to get it past the bodyguards of the king he assassinated with the sword.
If one considers the possibility that Ehud strapped the sword to the outside of his thigh, this allows for an 18" sword.
The word cubit applies to both 13.5" and 18".
For that reason, I have undertaken an 18" version on my own, with technical support from Gene Osborn, Thomas Haslinger and others.
The long 18" cubit equals the distance from the elbow to the end of the middle finger, measured on the outside of the forearm (the short 13.5" cubit, sometimes called a gomed, equals the distance from the inside of the forearm, from the inside of the elbow to the middle knuckle of the middle and ring fingers); more importantly, the 18" cubit equals the distance from the rotation of the hip to the rotation of the knee, which means one can carry an 18" sword strapped to the outside of the thigh, concealed and with full athletic freedom of movement.
My 18" version will definitely sever an arm with one blow, and it might take off a head with one stroke if wielded by a capable person.
Total weight, weight distribution and geometry mean more than overall length.
The Greeks and the Romans often carried short swords into battle for use after throwing their various types of javelins and spears.
We know them as kopis in the Greek and falcata in the Latin.
Some of them looked very much like the Nepalese Kukri and yet retained two edges and a point for thrusting, as well as the geometry to chop (see WARFARE IN THE CLASSICAL WORLD by John Warry, page 103, ISBN 1-56619-463-6).
The inside, reverse curve also empowered a wickedly efficient draw cut when used in close quarters.
The Greeks and Romans used their kopis and falcata for fighting when crushed en masse, shield to shield with friend and foe alike.
They sound great for carrying concealed and for fighting under a low ceiling, such as the 8' ceilings found in modern buildings.
Therin lies the challenge: create, in essence, a pocket battleship, a main battle blade that will wear comfortably under clothing day after month after year until the unhoped for moment of desperation that requires the controlled mayhem which only a sword can produce.
Speaking of gore: since our vice president has proposed legislation making it illegal to carry arms in church, I would like for him to know that some of us, myself included, wear arms to church as part of our worship.
If it shames me to wear the sword of Ehud to church, under my outer clothing, it should shame me to wear it anywhere else.
Where can I go and God not see my sword?
In the few instances where I cannot carry a larger weapon, I carry my John Greco Persian as a very credible symbol of my status as an armed Christian male.
Please consider the verses I have included in my signature: the Apostle Peter, the rock, carried a sword daily and used it to cut off the ear of Malchus, chief of the religious police who came to arrest Jesus.
Of greater import, though, Jesus said to Peter, "Put up thy sword into the sheath; the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?".
I hope to send my sword off to Thomas Haslinger for heat treatment soon, and I will post pictures of it here when I get it finished.
In the meantime, gentlemen, design a sword for wearing comfortably and discreetly, make it or have it made, and then wear it as befits a man's duty to family and community.
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Luke 22:36, John 18:6-11, Freedom
If one takes care of the means, the end will take care of itself.
I did a search of the bible for the shortest blade that anyone called a sword.
The sword of Ehud measures either 13.5" or 18" according to how one interprets the evidence.
Gene Osborn of Center Cross Metal Works made a 13.5" version for me, to my design.
It looks like a large dagger.
It has the balance, weight, handle and blade geometry to compare favorably with a Bowie Knife of similar dimensions.
Gene made a sheath for it that hangs from its own belt and straps to the side of the thigh.
I can easily wear it underneath pleated trousers, like Levi Dockers, and could draw it through a front pants pocket if I chose to cut a hole in the bottom of the pocket.
I have worn it underneath overalls, and can access and draw it from the seated position.
The 13.5" version comes from interpretations of the passages concerning Ehud's sword that indicate he might have strapped the blade to the inside of his thigh in order to get it past the bodyguards of the king he assassinated with the sword.
If one considers the possibility that Ehud strapped the sword to the outside of his thigh, this allows for an 18" sword.
The word cubit applies to both 13.5" and 18".
For that reason, I have undertaken an 18" version on my own, with technical support from Gene Osborn, Thomas Haslinger and others.
The long 18" cubit equals the distance from the elbow to the end of the middle finger, measured on the outside of the forearm (the short 13.5" cubit, sometimes called a gomed, equals the distance from the inside of the forearm, from the inside of the elbow to the middle knuckle of the middle and ring fingers); more importantly, the 18" cubit equals the distance from the rotation of the hip to the rotation of the knee, which means one can carry an 18" sword strapped to the outside of the thigh, concealed and with full athletic freedom of movement.
My 18" version will definitely sever an arm with one blow, and it might take off a head with one stroke if wielded by a capable person.
Total weight, weight distribution and geometry mean more than overall length.
The Greeks and the Romans often carried short swords into battle for use after throwing their various types of javelins and spears.
We know them as kopis in the Greek and falcata in the Latin.
Some of them looked very much like the Nepalese Kukri and yet retained two edges and a point for thrusting, as well as the geometry to chop (see WARFARE IN THE CLASSICAL WORLD by John Warry, page 103, ISBN 1-56619-463-6).
The inside, reverse curve also empowered a wickedly efficient draw cut when used in close quarters.
The Greeks and Romans used their kopis and falcata for fighting when crushed en masse, shield to shield with friend and foe alike.
They sound great for carrying concealed and for fighting under a low ceiling, such as the 8' ceilings found in modern buildings.
Therin lies the challenge: create, in essence, a pocket battleship, a main battle blade that will wear comfortably under clothing day after month after year until the unhoped for moment of desperation that requires the controlled mayhem which only a sword can produce.
Speaking of gore: since our vice president has proposed legislation making it illegal to carry arms in church, I would like for him to know that some of us, myself included, wear arms to church as part of our worship.
If it shames me to wear the sword of Ehud to church, under my outer clothing, it should shame me to wear it anywhere else.
Where can I go and God not see my sword?
In the few instances where I cannot carry a larger weapon, I carry my John Greco Persian as a very credible symbol of my status as an armed Christian male.
Please consider the verses I have included in my signature: the Apostle Peter, the rock, carried a sword daily and used it to cut off the ear of Malchus, chief of the religious police who came to arrest Jesus.
Of greater import, though, Jesus said to Peter, "Put up thy sword into the sheath; the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?".
I hope to send my sword off to Thomas Haslinger for heat treatment soon, and I will post pictures of it here when I get it finished.
In the meantime, gentlemen, design a sword for wearing comfortably and discreetly, make it or have it made, and then wear it as befits a man's duty to family and community.
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Luke 22:36, John 18:6-11, Freedom
If one takes care of the means, the end will take care of itself.
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Ken,
"...therein lies the challenge: create in essence, a pocket battleship..."
That is precisely what I called the 12" Ang Khola I recently received: a pocket battleship. Drop by the HI forum and we can probably get a 13 1/2" OAL khuk made from a shortened handled 15" AK with a 1/2" or thicker spine, 10" blade, and 4" handle. Weight between 1.5 and 1.75 pounds.
I even have a 12" blade with 10 to 11 16ths spine thickness, 8" handle, and overall weight about 4 pounds. Not trying to sell anything just moderate now and then on the forum, and get a kick out of seeing people discover the true dimensions and utility or the real khukuri. Or email me.
P.S. - 58" OAL two handed, 48" DelTin 2142, 30" Sirupati, 26" Kora...
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"...therein lies the challenge: create in essence, a pocket battleship..."
That is precisely what I called the 12" Ang Khola I recently received: a pocket battleship. Drop by the HI forum and we can probably get a 13 1/2" OAL khuk made from a shortened handled 15" AK with a 1/2" or thicker spine, 10" blade, and 4" handle. Weight between 1.5 and 1.75 pounds.
I even have a 12" blade with 10 to 11 16ths spine thickness, 8" handle, and overall weight about 4 pounds. Not trying to sell anything just moderate now and then on the forum, and get a kick out of seeing people discover the true dimensions and utility or the real khukuri. Or email me.
P.S. - 58" OAL two handed, 48" DelTin 2142, 30" Sirupati, 26" Kora...
[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 05-13-2000).]