Tactical tomahawk: fixed or removable handle

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Hey guys. I've decided I'm going to invest in some different types of tomahawks after liking my cold steel trail hawks so much. Well right now I'm looking for a tactical tomahawk. So what kind would be "better" over all, a tomahawk with a removable handle such as the sog tactical hawk line or like the swamp rat? Thanks.
 
Depends on your funds and what your use is gonna be. The fast hawk or m48 or CS trench hawk are bolted on. I personally don't want to trust my life to bolts. Next you have like the Atc Lagana hawk which is composite but a fixed head. Good quality and the likely hood of destroying it will be tough. If you want a deffenite breacher than I would go full tang. Now the price goes up a lot. There are a few cheaper full tangs like the schrade kuma hawk, smith and wesson or colts x25. They are solid full tang but still budget. Than you move into the expensive stuff. So it really depends what you are looking for also if you like the CS heads I would look at Vecs Hawks. Composite handles and CS heads. Hope this helps
 
a full tang hawk is essentially indestructible, and will function even if the scales manage to get broken off. A broken wooden handle or a broken bolt on a composite handle will make those hawks almost completely useless
 
a full tang hawk is essentially indestructible, and will function even if the scales manage to get broken off. A broken wooden handle or a broken bolt on a composite handle will make those hawks almost completely useless
You craft a new handle. What happens if you bend a full tang hawk? And yes this happened to the RMJ Eagle Talons when they were first released.

There is no perfect hawk imo.
 
You craft a new handle. What happens if you bend a full tang hawk? And yes this happened to the RMJ Eagle Talons when they were first released.

There is no perfect hawk imo.

You craft a new handle in a combat situation? I'd much prefer a hawk with the unlikely possibility of bending in combat to one with the somewhat higher probability of breaking completely
 
RMJ fixed that issue when they switched to using 4140 chrome molly. Before that, it only happened a couple times. ,since the change, it's never happened.

As far as which hawk is "better"........it's very relative on your application. Regardless, the bolt on hawks like your SOG and M-48 type hawks are definitely entry level. Just a heads up, in a stressed situation, they WILL fail. If your going to be throwing them in the back yard, they will do just fine.

The mentioned ATC'S , Swamp Rats and RMJ's will all stand up to whatever abuse is thrown their way in a called for situation and are all much more muti-purpose.
 
Picked up an Estwing tomahawk, pretty impressed, bout the same size as my 28 oz framer. Very solid.
 
I've been looking into tomahawks lately for some reason or other. You all know how these things suddenly jump into your consciousness. So, scouring the internet and studying the various styles and uses, it breaks down to the same kind of thing that knives went thru.

In the beginning, steel was scarce and expensive. So, hatchet and hawk heads were the steel part only. Early trade hawks reputedly made as boarding weapons for the British Navy were likely chosen because they could ship without a handle, or certainly, broken down separately to take up less space. It wouldn't be implausible to assume they were packaged into a barrel to keep them from rusting in the months long voyage.

That's the traditional hawk, a replaceable handle is part of the essence. BUT -

Moving to much heavier, even abusive use, just like knives, the handles could not take it. They fail. Another strike against them is being fitted into a socket in the head, which usually leaves a knob protruding from it. If you are using the hawk as a prybar with a spike inside a gap and rolling the head for leverage, the knob is in the way. So is any upturned edge or concave shape. A tactical military hawk gets used as a pry bar, it needs a rolling head design to do the work better.

Because of that, the handle inserted into a socket quickly become a weak point, as it has the majority of stress against the socket where it is left bending against it during levering. With an 18 - 20 inch handle, it's more likely to break than a shorter hatchet, and has already evolved into an integral design even more.

That's where the tactical tomahawks are changing the design to meet the newer uses - the are picking up features based on tools used in building deconstruction as a higher priority than just chopping light firewood or skulls The traditional hawk may have been first adopted from older designs and simply reissued, but in the future, and from the quick acceptance, it's obvious the tactical hawks are integral one piece with rolling head designs.

One not mentioned is the Condor Tactical Rescue, which also features a sharpened beard under the blade edge. That feature has a purpose, to prevent someone attempting to pull the hawk from the hands of the user. On the other side of the edge, however, it's upturned, which creates a concave stop point for it's use in prying. That's important because the other end of the handle isn't - it's a rolled and welded tube. The Gerber Downrange hawk is shaped for nail pulling on the handle end.

Such features are arguable - what would a soldier need in a situation can be environmentally different in a third world country vs urban US/Euro. That means there are lot of way to look at the features according to the users specific requirements, and we do not all share a universal set. What one user prefers in his hawk may be entirely useless for another. That's where decisions need to be made - hammer head, spike, or just flat, concave or convex rolling head, length of handle, what tool might be terminating the handle, what grip, is the handle fully insulated from electric shock, will it retain noxious or hazardous chemicals? You can see how the same attributes of a combat soldiers knife are still important.

Nope, no perfect hawks out there, although like usual, you get what you pay for. Then, of course, is the justification for whether one is needed at all - they aren't issued across the board to everyone. I could see the short gunner of a sniper team with one, an MP maybe one per team. It's another piece of gear, with the same issues soldiers already have - too much much of it. I can and do see why some do have them issued, I can and do see where the design will evolve away from the traditional style to perform more rugged duty. Just like knives - which have changed a lot, too, from the early days.

So far, I'm looking at the Condor, with the idea that it's going to need that upturned edge ground down. I don't like buying something that needs further modification, I'll keep looking to see if there are other designs with similar features in the same price range. Of course, a high end hawk like the RMJ would fit the bill, but I have also paid those bills. In something that isn't critical, just a "nice to have" item for me, I'll keep from cluttering up the waiting list.
 
I carried a Lagana VTAC hawk for a while in OEF, wasn't for me. For what I do now I far prefer a CS Trailhawk, more useful and I really like having the poll on it. If I thought I needed something more "tactical" I would go with their spike hawk. Not sure of your need/use though.
 
Found a good description of what one guy uses his "tactical" tomahawk for, post #33. http://jungletraining.com/forums/showthread.php?11636-ESEE-needs-to-make-a-Tomahawk/page3

The subject was discussed at length on m4carbine.net back in 2010. I won't link to it, basically the usual he said she said. Some saw no point at all, others, like the linked post, had specific and detailed uses. If a tac hawk isn't your cup of tea, ok. One point made was that carrying a tac hawk was two pounds of extra weight that wouldn't do the job of a crowbar, shovel, knife, or pickaxe very well.

What was missed was that when you need to carry something that will do all those jobs, it's an extremely light and versatile alternative. Exactly why the early users adopted them in woodcraft and war. So, if you hear "I can't think of one good reason to have one." just take that for what it's worth.
 
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tirod3 .. your #8 post is one the most thought out reply I've seen on this discussion. I only wish I could I express my written word with as much detail and consciousness ..

My thoughts .. I like traditional hawks - from a purely visual/historical perspective. Much of my time in the military was spent in central/south America. I suppose if a hawk had been available to me during that time I would have used it .. used it down to a nub. I try to explain this to local (service) people now ... how multi-purpose this item can be and dont just focus your attention on the combative perspective.

In Central/South America, Machetes were such a common tool that EVERYONE carried one with the American Express idea 'dont leave home without it'. Locals would lean their machetes along the outside walls of bars while inside drinking. They'd cut the grass with one - while leaning over the grass with a small stick. Shuck/open a coconut for food/drink. Forage with it. Survive by it. Of course, they'd hack each others hands/arms/heads off when an argument turned violent with it. I found a 'tool' once while surfing a US Cav catalog - one that would not only serve a functional utilitarian purpose like the machete .. but could be turned into a dynamic fighting weapon. I ordered it immediately. It preformed like a machete, but was smaller, easier to carry/pack/load .. much more universal. It saved my life a couple times. My mates were envious. Once I decided to end my tour of service, I brought it home and shelved it. I value this 'knife' with extreme sentimental attachment .. my Blackjack Marauder MK1.

So .. to me .. the perfect hawk, knife, hammer, etc .. is the one that fits YOU and YOUR MISSION.
 
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