Talk to me about the Mini

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This is a bit of a shot in the dark so please bear with me. Of the Kailash blades I have so far, It's time to get one a bit more packable. From another maker, I have a couple in the 10" ~400g-450g range that I think is a sweet spot for what I'm looking for. in terms of length and weight. Snappy with just enough heft behind it to sink into thicker pieces.

The mini seems to fit the bill at first but the weight seems pretty light (9" at 340g). So I guess I'm asking if my preconceived idea about the standard 9" Mini (performance grind) is wrong or what could/would be done to get the weight to at least 400g while still having a lean edge profile? Some quick math says that adding 1" would not get to that target but maybe it would be enough?

Otherwise, maybe a shortened Sirupate? Feel free to let me know if either request is taking the blades too far out of their design intent.
 
Hey there Bill. The mini is in a bit of a weird place in terms of functionality.
Generally, the people that are buying these are not actually using them for chopping tasks, and are really more looking for a camp knife that is large and recurved. So with this utility in mind, we keep our minis quite light and lean so that they can slice and carve well, while also being low weight and portable.

With this said though, we have felt in the last few years that the 9 inch and the 7 inch could benefit from a slightly thicker build, so that it gives more of the feel of a full-sized Kukri, and also gives people a taste of some of the chopping power that they would get from a full-sized version. Through custom enquiries we've been experimenting in this space by increasing the spine thickness and altering the taper profile to give a beefier blade that still has a bit of thunk to it. The 9" feels great with such changes but the 7" still feels a bit flimsy compared to the goal.

Something else that we've done is experiment with redesigning the mini-line entirely. What we did was create significantly broader blades that pack more power into a shorter distance as well as allow for very lean steep bevels which permit a thicker spine without loss of cutting performance. It is a budhune-like pattern with specific influence from north indian khukuris. The guys like the 5" version but it's a strange knife- very thick and short and stubby. It certainly chops better than the previous mini but we feel that perhaps the size is just too short to try and replicate this utility and feel. This has left us with the 7" and 9" versions, which look cool and feel great. They're little monsters and chop like they're about 3" longer than they are. A recent 9" weighed 620g for reference. As we've made more of these and experimented with different spine thicknesses it is becoming clear that the 5" version should be dropped and the 7" and 9" should become their own pattern (potentially with a larger 11" version added). without the 5" version this cannot replace the mini though and would need to be a new model- for now we're calling it the Compact but this is not a final name. An example of the 9" blade pattern (but not handle shape) can be seen here. A 7" version can be seen here. A 9" version with handle can be seen here.

This leaves us where we started- considering spine thickness changes for the mini for a bit more bulk. We also have a pattern for a 9" mk1 which could give a midpoint between the 9" Compact and the 9" mini. A 9" version of the mk1 may be a bit too ahistorical for what is a pretty accurate replica blade though and we wouldn't want to dilute this identity.

One of the things that we've done during this experimentation period to fill this functional gap for a mini chopper in our lineup is introduce the shorter lengths on the 2024 Falo. This has an 8 inch blade at 450g and a 10 inch blade at 550g. It features minimal distal taper so that there is plenty of steel further towards the tip for a chunky, powerful feel, and also a sturdiness in batoning and other hard-use camp tasks. We're considering dropping these down to 7mm in future so they're a bit more versatile- particularly if we go live with this Compact design to reduce overlap.

Take care,
Andrew and the team at Kailash
 
Ah, the wight of the current mini makes sense then. Sorry, I always think of them as brush tools not camp knives.

Is that 9" you linked to the one that is 620g? I would think at that weight you lose some of the snappiness. Otherwise, I really like that you gave it that blended edge profile. I'll be keeping my eye on how that line develops!

This would be a first custom blade request for me so I don't know what's reasonable in terms of requests so, feel free to push back. Building off what you said in the second paragraph, could a heavier/thicker mini be done? 450g would be ideal in the 9"-10" range. As a different option, would it be possible to do a lighter Falo with a traditional handle? My 12" has been a good hard worker for me but I can't deny how much security the finger ring gives especially if I'm not wearing a glove (but the longer handle size being too big for my hand may be contributing too). I'm not sure if a target weight of ~500g could be done with a slightly thinner spine even if the degree of taper is diminished?

My guess would be that the Falo would be the more durable option and likely the better way to go since this is intended to be put into something I can put in a 3 day pack and deal with some green wood in a camp but also process a bit of firewood if needed.
 
Hey there Bill,
Yes the 9" I linked sits at 620g. We agree that this is on the more extreme end in terms of weight/ balance but is required to get full sized chopping power below 10". A thicker mini or thinner falo would be potential product lineup changes to help fill that gap a little.
Both custom concepts are easily done with current semi-custom processes. I think the key difference is blade length- whether you want 9" or 10" regardless of blade weight.
Feel free to send an email if you'd like to get the ball rolling :)
 
It's tempting to try both directions to be honest!

So, if I requested the heavier mini style with a thicker spine to get the weight target, what would that potentially do to the edge profile? Ideally I'd like to get as close to the precision grind as possible. And it sounds like extending it an inch would help get the performance I'm looking for.

I guess the last thing to chew on is if you think this direction would be okay for the work I've described? The batoning would likely be the most "abuse" it would see but not with anything too large.
 
Over the width of the blade the increased spine thickness will have minimal impact on the cutting geometry of either knife as they both have full height grinds of one form or another.
Both will be fine from a durability perspective. If the added size of a 10" blade doesn't cause an issue with portability or handiness in fine tasks then the customised 10" falo would be the one to go for. The added length gives us a less constrained and a more relaxed design space.
 
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