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Talnoite
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Hummer,
Welcome to the forum!
I do not possess the tech data on talonite. (I'll let someone else or the search function fill in the blanks on that) But, as someone who is about to move to the tropics I can tell you that I want some bad!!
Talonite is not steel and does not rust! It apparently contains carbon to make it sharpenable but not enough to rust. I am told that it holds an awesome edge, some say 2-3 times better than a good carbon steel. Also is is non-magnetic. The only downside that I have heard is that it can tend to roll the edge on a larger blade if used heavily.
Signed,
Saving my pennies for talonite!!
It costs in the $200 per pound range I am told!
Welcome to the forum!
I do not possess the tech data on talonite. (I'll let someone else or the search function fill in the blanks on that) But, as someone who is about to move to the tropics I can tell you that I want some bad!!
Talonite is not steel and does not rust! It apparently contains carbon to make it sharpenable but not enough to rust. I am told that it holds an awesome edge, some say 2-3 times better than a good carbon steel. Also is is non-magnetic. The only downside that I have heard is that it can tend to roll the edge on a larger blade if used heavily.
Signed,
Saving my pennies for talonite!!
It costs in the $200 per pound range I am told!
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I have the Talon and the Mini-Talon and love both of them. Talonite is totally stain and rust proof, keep cutting long after it has lost its SHARP FEEL. When you finally decide that you THINK it needs to be sharpened then just a few licks on a strop or a ceramic and it back to "feeling sharp" again.
If you are going to use a knife in a wet or salty condition then this stuff can't be beat. I have cut a lot of acidic fruits with my Mini-Talon and it has never taken a hind of a stain...just run it under water and wipe it off or you can even store it wet if you forget to wipe it.
JUST SOME GOOD STUFF
If you are going to use a knife in a wet or salty condition then this stuff can't be beat. I have cut a lot of acidic fruits with my Mini-Talon and it has never taken a hind of a stain...just run it under water and wipe it off or you can even store it wet if you forget to wipe it.
JUST SOME GOOD STUFF
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Jason: Is talonite really considered 100% non-magnetic? I don't know much about talonite, but it would seem that any trace of carbon would give it a magnetic signature.
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Dark Nemisis;
I just took my Mini-Talon and placed it on a dial indicator magnetic base (very strong magnet)and I could not feel the slightest attraction of the blade to the magnet, so I would guesss that it is pretty damn close to being "totally anti-magnetic".
I just took my Mini-Talon and placed it on a dial indicator magnetic base (very strong magnet)and I could not feel the slightest attraction of the blade to the magnet, so I would guesss that it is pretty damn close to being "totally anti-magnetic".
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WOW !!! Thats cool. Thanks for taking the time to test it...
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To summerise
1. No rust ever!
2. Very very good edge holding
3. Weak and prone to chipping
4. Expensive is a cheap word compared to the cost of Talonite!
Probably one of the best materials anywhere for a sub 3" folder or any neck knife but hopeless for big knives that chop or get any hard use.
1. No rust ever!
2. Very very good edge holding
3. Weak and prone to chipping
4. Expensive is a cheap word compared to the cost of Talonite!
Probably one of the best materials anywhere for a sub 3" folder or any neck knife but hopeless for big knives that chop or get any hard use.
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I have learned this from other threads so take it for what it's worth:
Talonite cannot be magnetized: in this sense it is "non-magnetic." It does, however, have a "magnetic signature" and is therefore not considered totally "non magnetic." This means that you won't magnetize your talonite blade but you shouldn't use it to defuse mines
The only use I am aware of that requires a completely non-magnetic blade is mine defusion.
Talonite cannot be magnetized: in this sense it is "non-magnetic." It does, however, have a "magnetic signature" and is therefore not considered totally "non magnetic." This means that you won't magnetize your talonite blade but you shouldn't use it to defuse mines
The only use I am aware of that requires a completely non-magnetic blade is mine defusion.Don't listen to "general" when he tells you about Talonite/Stellite. I have had a Mayo Talonite fixed blade for a year and have USED it hard. (Saltwater, blood, bones, rope...) NO PROBLEMS!!! Just caused me to buy a TNT and order another TNT.... (And my fixed blade from Neil Blackwood -a Stellite blade- is also top notch!)
So, General PIPE DOWN!!! Unless you have real world experience with Talonite/Stellite you have no business knocking it!!!
Michael
So, General PIPE DOWN!!! Unless you have real world experience with Talonite/Stellite you have no business knocking it!!!
Michael
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I've had my talonite blade for a few months now, so I guess I can share
Edge holding is good on soft materials, though not really good for push-cutting. Rather a slicer.
As of the tougness that is a real prob... Well, at least poses a problem to me. Once you hit a staple in the cardboard, or accidentaly hit a concrete floor while cutting the same cardboard (both incindents happened to me) the results are much more severe than with BG-42 and ATS-34, let alone M2, A2, INFI. Not that I hit staples and a floor eery other day, but things happen.
In short it's not a steel, thus doesn't behave like one.
So, if you expect a lot of soft material cutting in an agressive env.
that'd be your choice
Edge holding is good on soft materials, though not really good for push-cutting. Rather a slicer.
As of the tougness that is a real prob... Well, at least poses a problem to me. Once you hit a staple in the cardboard, or accidentaly hit a concrete floor while cutting the same cardboard (both incindents happened to me) the results are much more severe than with BG-42 and ATS-34, let alone M2, A2, INFI. Not that I hit staples and a floor eery other day, but things happen.
In short it's not a steel, thus doesn't behave like one.
So, if you expect a lot of soft material cutting in an agressive env.
that'd be your choice
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I am not knocking it, just pointing out the pro's and cons. Rob told me that he had had a 'chopper' style blade in Talonite returned with serrations. It was a plain edge knife to start with, I would call that edge fracture and chipping in my book with some rolling added as well. I was just pointing out that Talonite is highly regarded but not as a chopper.
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Talonite is not weak
Well, depends what it is being compared to.
its soft on the rockwell "C" scale and is prone towards rolling or bending but I don't think so much chipping.
As I've heard several times and I tend to agree, RC test doesn't or wouldn't give a valid picture, as officially talonite def. is "very hard carbides (90RC?) in the soft matrix 50RC?"...
Anyways, forget about RC, that didn't come to my mind when I was looking at the serrated tip of my talonite blade
Similar impacts had no visibel effects on my M2 and A2 blades, slight dulling yes, but nothing like that.
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Gator97 :
The RC test isn't specifically for steels, and yes it does represent well how Talonite responds to impaction, it is much softer than most cutlery steels and indents much more readily, it is also much weaker as the lower tensile strength indicates. As for hard carbides in a soft matrix, well yes, but you could say the same thing about any cutlery steel that is hardened.
-Cliff
The RC test isn't specifically for steels, and yes it does represent well how Talonite responds to impaction, it is much softer than most cutlery steels and indents much more readily, it is also much weaker as the lower tensile strength indicates. As for hard carbides in a soft matrix, well yes, but you could say the same thing about any cutlery steel that is hardened.
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I have a page with links to tons of information about talonite....
http://www.geocities.com/mdpoff/talonite.html
http://www.geocities.com/mdpoff/talonite.html
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it is much softer than most cutlery steels and indents much more readily, it is also much weaker as the lower tensile strength indicates. As for hard carbides in a soft matrix, well yes, but you could say the same thing about any cutlery steel that is hardened.
Probably you have a point too
In short the HRC, valid or not, more or less matches the reality.Let's put it this way, would another steel, donno 440A or M2 at 50 HRC deform and fracture like talonite did on that impact? Donno.