Talon Hole Infringement

pmsayre153 · Jan 20, 2016

From GunsAmerica article on SHOT show 2016: "Hoffner's 'Beast': ....".
E-mail already sent to Jerry for his info.

Pete

PeteyTwoPointOne · Jan 20, 2016

To me, that's a straight-up rip off...

So many opportunities for innovation in blades...why they gotta steal Jerry's stuff?

As for "Hasselhof's Beast" itself, that's as ugly as homemade sin.:barf::thumbdn:

Ergonomics look terrible and I'd want more choil or a more pronounced fore-ward guard on a tanto.

Jens Schuetz · Jan 20, 2016

Doesn't a real talon hole stick out more from the tang? This one barely does at all.

Ladams19 · Jan 20, 2016

Compared to Busse this is not much. Honestly to put a hole there is not an issue imho. I have put holes there long before I knew Busse existed. It's practical for some applications. If the pattern of steel was there and that area mimics a Busse design then I would see it as an issue. I don't see an issue here personally. I just see a hole

Davidfs · Jan 20, 2016

Not all Busses stick out though, most notable lay weeks offering.... Just depends on the blade, though obviously most do.

And I do agree, strong stabbing point with almost nothing to keep your fingers from riding forward = fail imho, of course I've never designed a knife so I probably shouldn't criticize.

Jaxx · Jan 20, 2016

Ladams19 said:
Compared to Busse this is not much. Honestly to put a hole there is not an issue imho. I have put holes there long before I knew Busse existed. It's practical for some applications. If the pattern of steel was there and that area mimics a Busse design then I would see it as an issue. I don't see an issue here personally. I just see a hole

I see an active trademark infringement. This hole anywhere in this shaded area on the knife in this drawing...

Identifies a knife as a Busse , even without a maker's mark. This trademark hole is not fixed to a specific place on just the front guard, but anywhere in the shaded area. SAR5 and the Boom Parang are 2 examples of this trademark hole in a different place on the pommel as both have no finger guard.

Ladams19 · Jan 20, 2016

Jaxx said:
I see an active trademark infringement. This hole anywhere in this shaded area on the knife in this drawing...

Identifies a knife as a Busse , even without a maker's mark. This trademark hole is not fixed to a specific place on just the front guard, but anywhere in the shaded area. SAR5 and the Boom Parang are 2 examples of this trademark hole in a different place on the pommel as both have no finger guard.

Just a hole anywhere in that area though really seems a bit much as a trademark infringement. Over the years I have seen so many holes put in this area by many people with diverse upbringings. I have seen them on WW1 and WW2 knives as well. My Dad for one made me a wooden sword/long knife and put a hole there to tie on a rope for a guard. It is such a natural thing to put there. I guess its all about who puts in the paperwork first now in our society. I understand the following that Busse has and I love the brand. This is a prime example though of how litigious we are getting as a society. It seems everything now has a copyright on it. Like the Happy Birthday song some time ago was brought into court but fortunately thrown out.

Skystorm · Jan 20, 2016

Should be melted down just for the lack of ergonomics on those things.

zmbhntr · Jan 20, 2016

Ladams19 said:
Just a hole anywhere in that area though really seems a bit much as a trademark infringement. Over the years I have seen so many holes put in this area by many people with diverse upbringings. I have seen them on WW1 and WW2 knives as well. My Dad for one made me a wooden sword/long knife and put a hole there to tie on a rope for a guard. It is such a natural thing to put there. I guess its all about who puts in the paperwork first now in our society. I understand the following that Busse has and I love the brand. This is a prime example though of how litigious we are getting as a society. It seems everything now has a copyright on it. Like the Happy Birthday song some time ago was brought into court but fortunately thrown out.

Very well said; I completely agree.

wolf-man-12 · Jan 20, 2016

I look at it as a 'hole' is just a hole and nobody 'own's it but the fella or person that bought said Knife or sharp object.!
Geshhhh -- get a life !

Jaxx · Jan 20, 2016

Ladams19 said:
Just a hole anywhere in that area though really seems a bit much as a trademark infringement. Over the years I have seen so many holes put in this area by many people with diverse upbringings. I have seen them on WW1 and WW2 knives as well. My Dad for one made me a wooden sword/long knife and put a hole there to tie on a rope for a guard. It is such a natural thing to put there. I guess its all about who puts in the paperwork first now in our society. I understand the following that Busse has and I love the brand. This is a prime example though of how litigious we are getting as a society. It seems everything now has a copyright on it. Like the Happy Birthday song some time ago was brought into court but fortunately thrown out.

Not exactly a prime example. Just a clever business man. A prime example would be a charitable foundation suing other charities over the phrase "for the cure"...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/793176

TheMtnMan · Jan 20, 2016

Withdrawn

Sethrotull · Jan 20, 2016

We are beating a dead horse here. Some people get it some people don't.

When I see a hole up there on a blade I think Busse.

grogimus · Jan 20, 2016

Any knife with a useful front lanyard hole is violating a trademark?

PeteyTwoPointOne · Jan 20, 2016

Ladams19 said:
Just a hole anywhere in that area though really seems a bit much as a trademark infringement. Over the years I have seen so many holes put in this area by many people with diverse upbringings. I have seen them on WW1 and WW2 knives as well. My Dad for one made me a wooden sword/long knife and put a hole there to tie on a rope for a guard. It is such a natural thing to put there. I guess its all about who puts in the paperwork first now in our society. I understand the following that Busse has and I love the brand. This is a prime example though of how litigious we are getting as a society. It seems everything now has a copyright on it. Like the Happy Birthday song some time ago was brought into court but fortunately thrown out.

customizing a knife for one's own use & enjoyment is vastly different from marketing something for commercial gain...

I've personally had intellectual property stolen from me, and there's a reason litigation is so prevalent today...it's because copyright/trademark infringement ( read: theft ) is widespread & putting thieves in the stocks in the town square has fallen out of usage.

I've collected & used Spyderco folders since the early 1990's...Sal Glesser has been fighting a very similar battle since those early days. It started out as something that wasn't considered "much" at the time. Now Sal is now fighting internationally to protect his property-- it is WAY OUT OF CONTROL.

Something else to keep in mind, WE ( as buyers & ELU's ) help subsidize the fight against these thieves everytime we buy from Wauseon

Maybe the guy was unaware of Jerry's claim on the talon hole (unlikely). If it was a true mistake, I have faith Busse Combat handles all these "mistakes" in a professional manner allowing the perps. a dignified way out and a chance to make amends.

Jerry Busse · Jan 20, 2016

Thanks for the heads-up!:thumbup:

I don't want to take up any more forum space with this sort of thing.

If anyone spots an infringement, or what they think might be an infringement, please email me privately and we'll take care of it.

jerry@bussecombat.com

Shouldn't we be drinking????:thumbup:,

Jerry

Talon Hole Infringement

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