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Talonite and 420V (any info on end product use?)
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Look at Rob Simonichs' web site. There is a lot of posative feedback on talonite in his message board section. His site is listed in the forum links.
Hope this helps.
Mike C
Hope this helps.
Mike C
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Hi Mike:
Thanks for the reply.
I did check out the Talonite and talked to Rob. Sounds like a cool material.
It would be better to let him explain it. But, from what I understood (I could be wrong) the talonite had a different feel than regular steel when cutting. He said that some people have said that it feels more "slippery" when cutting through whatever. Kind of like the blade has an easier time sliding through stuff.
Hope he follows up with a post to clarify if I've confused it.
Bottom line is that it seems to hold a super edge, you can get it razor sharp and does not rust.
Sounds pretty cool.
Laters,
Dave
Thanks for the reply.
I did check out the Talonite and talked to Rob. Sounds like a cool material.
It would be better to let him explain it. But, from what I understood (I could be wrong) the talonite had a different feel than regular steel when cutting. He said that some people have said that it feels more "slippery" when cutting through whatever. Kind of like the blade has an easier time sliding through stuff.
Hope he follows up with a post to clarify if I've confused it.
Bottom line is that it seems to hold a super edge, you can get it razor sharp and does not rust.
Sounds pretty cool.
Laters,
Dave
Rob Simonich
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Well guys, in a nutshell I havent had one single complaint, well one little one and that is the stuff is a bit pricey.
I am sending out quite a lot of barstock to different makers, seems one of the good selling points of Talonite is that no heat treating is involved. As far as performance in the field, nothing but good stuff there. No corrosion, no edge rolling, no edge chipping, and phenomonal edgeholding. Talonite certainly has a different "feel" to it. It is 30% slicker that steel and when you use it it is noticeable. It takes a while to get used to it, and as Bald1 told me early on, you feel the edge and think it isnt too sharp, pick up a piece of typing paper and it slides right through it freehanging no problem. Last night at work I had to unbox a huge space heater that had a heavy cardboard box strapped to a pallat, I just stuck the knife in and walked around the box and it slid right through and didnt grab at all.
My message board is currently down, the owner is having software problems and may be a few more days before it is back, I will post some feild test results in there whaen it is up again. Also, there is a thread called Talonite, Walts thread cont in the General forum that has some info in it. Hope this helps! Rob
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I am sending out quite a lot of barstock to different makers, seems one of the good selling points of Talonite is that no heat treating is involved. As far as performance in the field, nothing but good stuff there. No corrosion, no edge rolling, no edge chipping, and phenomonal edgeholding. Talonite certainly has a different "feel" to it. It is 30% slicker that steel and when you use it it is noticeable. It takes a while to get used to it, and as Bald1 told me early on, you feel the edge and think it isnt too sharp, pick up a piece of typing paper and it slides right through it freehanging no problem. Last night at work I had to unbox a huge space heater that had a heavy cardboard box strapped to a pallat, I just stuck the knife in and walked around the box and it slid right through and didnt grab at all.
My message board is currently down, the owner is having software problems and may be a few more days before it is back, I will post some feild test results in there whaen it is up again. Also, there is a thread called Talonite, Walts thread cont in the General forum that has some info in it. Hope this helps! Rob
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The double post thingy......
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Rob,
How hard is the Talomite to sharpen? Thanks!
How hard is the Talomite to sharpen? Thanks!
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Larry, you dont have to sharpen it very often!
I just got me a set of Spyderco Ceramic bench stones that work great, and Diamond stones also work very well. It is similar to sharpening CPM-440V
Blades, No heat treating is required, it comes age hardened, It does require Carbide bits to drill and ream it. A lot of makers are getting this stuff from me due to the fact that there is no heat treating. As far as grinding, this is not an entry level material, although it isnt real tough to work. It takes a good belt grinder and top quality belts. I suppose one could slowly and carefully use a bench grinder, but man that would be a lot of work!
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Blades, No heat treating is required, it comes age hardened, It does require Carbide bits to drill and ream it. A lot of makers are getting this stuff from me due to the fact that there is no heat treating. As far as grinding, this is not an entry level material, although it isnt real tough to work. It takes a good belt grinder and top quality belts. I suppose one could slowly and carefully use a bench grinder, but man that would be a lot of work!
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Rob,
Talonite is very intriguing to me.
You have probably answered these questions quite a few times before but here goes.....
Since you have worked it, how does it compare to 440V as far as edge holding ability from what you have seen? I realize that it will be harder to grind and/or polish due to the hardness of the stuff to begin with but as far as polishing goes, do you think that it is possible to get a highly polished finish on it?
One other question, who makes it? I have never heard of it before seeing it on your website.
CLWilkins
Talonite is very intriguing to me.
You have probably answered these questions quite a few times before but here goes.....
Since you have worked it, how does it compare to 440V as far as edge holding ability from what you have seen? I realize that it will be harder to grind and/or polish due to the hardness of the stuff to begin with but as far as polishing goes, do you think that it is possible to get a highly polished finish on it?
One other question, who makes it? I have never heard of it before seeing it on your website.
CLWilkins
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The claims about Talonite are some of the most extreme I have ever seen :
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/tknives.htp
I don't know anyone who has made large blades out of it besides Rob who recently made this beauty (Rob if you have a problem with me posting this pic - just let me know) :
Once I get my smaller Talonite blade from Rob and determine the edge holding and edge toughness abilities, I will probably be looking into getting a bigger blade made. Somewhat like the above but with a blade about 12" long with bit of an angle, khukuri like but not as extreme.
-Cliff
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http://www.carbideprocessors.com/tknives.htp
I don't know anyone who has made large blades out of it besides Rob who recently made this beauty (Rob if you have a problem with me posting this pic - just let me know) :
Once I get my smaller Talonite blade from Rob and determine the edge holding and edge toughness abilities, I will probably be looking into getting a bigger blade made. Somewhat like the above but with a blade about 12" long with bit of an angle, khukuri like but not as extreme.
-Cliff
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CL Wilkins, In my very unscientific tests, Talonite leaves 440-V in the dust at least in cutting cardboard. As far as pecentages go, dont know. As far as working the stuff, it is not that bad with high quality belts such as the 3M-977f belt. Kit Carson told me that is is much easier to work than 6K. I recently made a blade out of CPM-10V and in the annealed condition, the 10V was harder to grind than the Talonite! It dosent take a great polish, anything above 400 grit hand rub really starts to show the grain. This material is made out of the country, eother Asia or Europe for Carbide Processors, I am the diastributor of this material to the knife industry.
Stonefish and Cliff, the claims in Carbides site are a bit extreme. I have some 1/16" stoch that I have done destructive tests on and here is what I have found. A piece 1/16" X 1/2" X 7" was clamped about an inch in the vise, with a protractor underneath I started flexing, at between 20 and 25 deg it would spring back true, at between 25 and 30 deg, it would take a slight permanent bend that could be straightened right out, at about 45 deg it snapped off clean.
Cliff, no problem at all posting the picture! I would but have never figured out how to do it!
In other Talonite news, after a lot of harrasing and begging, 1/4" stock is now available!
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Stonefish and Cliff, the claims in Carbides site are a bit extreme. I have some 1/16" stoch that I have done destructive tests on and here is what I have found. A piece 1/16" X 1/2" X 7" was clamped about an inch in the vise, with a protractor underneath I started flexing, at between 20 and 25 deg it would spring back true, at between 25 and 30 deg, it would take a slight permanent bend that could be straightened right out, at about 45 deg it snapped off clean.
Cliff, no problem at all posting the picture! I would but have never figured out how to do it!
In other Talonite news, after a lot of harrasing and begging, 1/4" stock is now available!
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Stonefish, Cliff, & the gang:
I apologize....been busy with the B1-Bs going to europe... or I would have been in here helping Rob with answers.
I've had a Talonite knife since last november and now own two. I also own blades made from a variety of both tool steel and stainless materials including CPM440V, BG-42, A2, D2, dendretic D2, etc. No if ands or buts the Talonite bests them all for edge holding. Sharpening isn't difficult at all... and may actually be perceived as far easier than CPM440V.
As Rob said, this stuff is non-coroding, the edge won't chip or fold, and it cuts and cuts and cuts. For practical matters (as I don't jump up and down on my knives when clamped in a vise nor do I try to use them as I would a crow bar or entrenching tool) this stuff is more than plenty tough. And even if I did abuse them, from what we're learning it would take a hell of an effort to damage a cobalt blade!
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I apologize....been busy with the B1-Bs going to europe... or I would have been in here helping Rob with answers.
I've had a Talonite knife since last november and now own two. I also own blades made from a variety of both tool steel and stainless materials including CPM440V, BG-42, A2, D2, dendretic D2, etc. No if ands or buts the Talonite bests them all for edge holding. Sharpening isn't difficult at all... and may actually be perceived as far easier than CPM440V.
As Rob said, this stuff is non-coroding, the edge won't chip or fold, and it cuts and cuts and cuts. For practical matters (as I don't jump up and down on my knives when clamped in a vise nor do I try to use them as I would a crow bar or entrenching tool) this stuff is more than plenty tough. And even if I did abuse them, from what we're learning it would take a hell of an effort to damage a cobalt blade!
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I did NOT escape from the institution! They gave me a day pass!
Mr. Simonich,
Thanks for the information. If I had checked your website out first I wouldn't have had to ask. I went there after I posted my question. I was wondering about grinding alittle neck knife out, but I don't have the equipment to even try. Oh well.
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Thanks for the information. If I had checked your website out first I wouldn't have had to ask. I went there after I posted my question. I was wondering about grinding alittle neck knife out, but I don't have the equipment to even try. Oh well.
Blades