Talonite Improved Upon???

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Can Talonite be hard chromed (other than the edge) and would that lend strength to using it in a larger blade?

I am thinking that the hard chrome would be much like a black coating, but not for rust prevention, but rather for additional strength.
 
Pratcial Use,
I saw your question in the thread about your TALONITE EDC, but thought it would be better to answer it here. Hard Chrome is too thin to add any strenght. You can coat the blade for cosmetic reasons, but that is all it would add.

Besides, in a blade the size of your EDC folder [3"], why would you need any additional strenght?

Glad to have you onboard! Cobalt RULZ......
 
Could a blade be produced with a sandwich type construction? Or how 'bout a Talonite Walker Zipper? :D
 
Kit Carson makes a 6" or 7" dive knife (U2) out of Stellite and has no strength problems with them. The thing about cobalt alloys is that the weakest part of the blade is the edge. That is what gets damaged first in hard use. So coating the blade, or laminating it or welding a cobalt edge onto a steel blade doesn't really gain you much as far as I can see. A stout Talonite blade would be strong enough for light prying provided it was done with the whole blade. But the edge will deform under high impact loads not matter what, and that's the part you need sharp to cut with.
 
This is a relative point...
mostly it depends on how the knife is ground...how thick the edge portion is left before sharpening....and how long the sharpening bevel is....
One can build strength into any knife this way.
:p
 
One of my friends does Emerson's hardchroming. If you are still interested after hearing the preceding advice, I'll ask him.
 
You guys covered it well. I am working on diffusion bonding Talonite to 6AL4V, my first piece we used Stellite for the core and this material has a lot of potential. Ill post more when i get more material made.
 
Since people with knowledge and skill are actually working on the concept, my next question is - what about a Damascus blade with Talonite in it? Is that even possible.

Can I really go all out - M2 and Talonite?

Obviously, I don't really know all that much about how Damascus is made - just that it is a form of welding/forging.

(I see myself with a six inch fixed blade knife of M2 and Talonite - it is at the same time that I am shooting 2" groups at 100 yards with my Officers Model - just woke up - I will be fine now)
 
A point of contention!!!!!!!! :(
Using Ti 6/4 as the outside layer SUCKS!!!!!!!!
Have you ever tried making a modern folder with a titanium blade??
The detent ball wears out in NO time! Try using a nice 300 series stainless! :p


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Well, frankly, this topic just didn't make a lot of sense to me.

I have both the small and large Kit Carson U2 dive knives, and a 5" drop point hunter from Tom Mayo, all made of Talonite. Kit tells me he has never had one of his cobalt alloy dive knives returned due to blade failure. And they are MADE for prying.

So, what went through my mind is just exactly what benefit was to be gained by this lamination project. I called Rob Simonich and he explained what his goals were. In no particular order, they are:

Increased resistance to bending. Talonite is quite flexible, and the 6Al4V outer layers add stiffness (the prototype was made of a core of 1/16" Talonite with outer layers of 1/16" 6Al4V).

A cheaper and lighter blade material. Talonite is fairly expensive; the alloy alone for the large U2 (1/4" thick) was $350. Using the Ti alloy will decrease the cost, and make the blade lighter.

The 'cool' factor.

I pointed out to Rob that his project was the reverse of the usual method of lamination, in which a harder, less flexible core was laminated between layers of softer, more flexible material. He was aware of this, and still considers his project to have merit.

Time will tell; I await the results with anxious anticipation. I would suggest to 'practical use' that the use of M2 as a core would be rather inappropriate, IMHO. First of all, you lose the corrosion proof nature of the blade, and secondly, even if this is acceptable, to use a traditional billet steel would be too mundane. A better choice would be something like CPM 3V, again, IMHO.

Questions, suggestions and comments, as always, welcomed. Walt
 
Tom, you know I dont make folders! Folders are just pre broken fixed blades! :D :D

Practical use, someone is working on Talonite Damascus, havent heard on how it is going.

Walt, dont even know where to begin with you bud! :p I think a 420-V core would be the cats butt as well!
 
Using Ti to sandwich Talonite is not a clearcut thing. You lose stiffness in comparison to all talonite at the same thickness but at the same weight it is stiffer because of smaller density of Ti (but thicker). Hmm now if you take a VERY good steel core and Ti skins and explosively join them that would give a light weight knife.

TLM
 
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