TALONITE KNIFE DESIGN CONTEST THREAD CONTINUED!

Jim March

Jim March

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This thread picks up where this one: http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/003857.html
left off.

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Cliff, I need to clarify something: I'm not arguing that a forged Cobalt alloy with the same makeup as Talonite is "bad" in any way. In truth, I have no idea whether or not such forged Cobolt is better or worse than Talonite.

My point for this thread is that we're going to be getting free "Talonite", the "real stuff" by that name. That means it's a Cobolt alloy with a "hot rolled, age hardened" process. And THAT in turn means that the winning knife will be stock-removal, which should affect people's designs. Radically upswept tips and other features that will leave lots of expensive grinder dust around
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should be re-thunk.

That wasn't meant as a slur on Steve Schwarzer or you
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. On the contrary; if it's possible to forge this stuff and get a good blade that way, I can immediately see there's a cost savings. Sorta like how the Nepalese kamis mostly heat'n'beat 5160 because to them, that's expensive metal...they'd choke if they knew what these Cobolt alloys cost and would consider it near-criminal to grind it into dust
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Jim
 
I couldn't resist, one more entry please. Black canvas micarta scales, silver coloured pins and lanyard tubing (stainless?).

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I just had to add some more knifemodel suggestions .
Here they are .Hunter Tactical and Folder .

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OK, I just finished the first Talonite version of my LiteWave. My design entry is basically the same knife, expanded to a 5-7" blade using the .200 thick Talonite! I've had many requests for a larger version of this knife and have not yet had the time to do it!!
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If my design is picked, I will thoroughly enjoy letting someone else drill the 17+ holes in the Talonite
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Neil

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Blackwood Knives
Talonite knives in stock!!
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Meeting/5520/index.html
 
Here are my entries again.

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The above knife has a 4" handle and a 4" - 6" blade.

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The dimensions on both can be changed a little based on need.


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Dennis Bible
 
Hey Jim.....My final design before all this ends on the 28th. It's called "Osiris". There's lots of curves which is a no-no but i thought this would be my last, so crazy as it does! The handle material is not determine yet but it'll be phenolic and yes! the famous sub-hilt that i like so much has shrunk. Cheaper that way........
A little about the blade design. The blade is heavier because holes are drilled through the handle(covered with scales)to bring the balance to the front much like the khukris. The dramatic drop handle is inspired by them(Khukris) but changing the traditional drop point to somewhat spear point. Slight recurve blade to aid draw cuts. Thank you!
All comments welcome, you too Jim
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[This message has been edited by keninshiro (edited 03-27-2000).]
 
Thanks Doc. for the comments! I've always like the Khukris(or any old world blades) design but many features are not suitable for modern day needs. I respect and admire the ingenuity that the ancient ones had and hope to develope their designs further. But who am i to say that? Just bunch of theories and imaginations.........
BTW neil, i like the Hawkbill design you did. Very nice indeed!
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Eric, it's a nice design. I'm wondering if a separate piece of grip metal might be somehow "bolted onto" a shorter straight Talonite tang? In other words, by having the blade and tang be one straightish piece and then attach a solid aircraft-grade-aluminum handle, you'd save materials cost *and* get the weight savings you want on the grip without drilling a pile of holes in Talonite.

This "add-on grip" could then be clad in a thin layer of G10 or even wood?

Just a thought. As is, the overall shape is "like a boomerang" and the amount of grinding would border on...well, pretty wild
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Something else: does anyone know how "tough" Talonite is? We know it has edgeholding from hell
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but is it physically suitable for big choppers? I suspect economics has kept the sizes of the average Talonite knife down but I don't know if the metal's properties are right for "prybar/chopping" use.

Jim
 
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the comments. Your idea of a bolt on handle is not bad at all......
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If this wins, could this be called a collaberation effort? I think so, it would be an honour.

The shape is indeed like a "boomerang", though it was inspired by Khukris. The reason fot it being this way is due to the size of the blade. If a original Khukris design have a knife size like mine(6"), the knife is not long enough to pack energy for choping because "the bend" original khukris have is further in front. So I eventually have to design it in a way that the blade will move forward to simulate the "heavy-front-end" swings. Thank you!
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Hi Jim,
Me again. I think this is what you meant;
the handle is made out of AL.T6 machined from a solid billet thicker than the one used for Talonite. A slot is milled out and the short tang is epoxied in secured with pins, put together with G-10 scales. Great idea!
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(the dotted line is where the straight tang is)

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[This message has been edited by keninshiro (edited 03-28-2000).]
 
How bout this one?? <img src=Http://members.aol.com/l6steel/ebay/dropoint.jpg>
I know, there are hundreds of drop point designs out there, but I really did sit down and draw this one up. Here it is for real.<img src=http://members.aol.com/l6steel/ebay/ray3.jpg> Take care!! Michael

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Always think of your fellow knife makers as partners in the search for the perfect blade, not as people trying to compete with you and your work!
 
Eric, that's *exactly* what I had in mind.

I can think of one minor tweak: you can take that dotted line and move it down just a hair, somewhere between 1/4" and 1/2". Reason being, there's a "fatter spot" where the bottom of the blade edge is, just ahead of the first fingergroove. Since the original billet has to be that fat anyways, you can gain just a bit more space for the boltholes...there'll still be a single fingergroove carved in the Talonite but it won't be a "Talonite banana"
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. The boltholes nearest the dotted line in the current pic are just a bit too close to that edge for comfort.

But you've got the concept all right. Cool, no? With modern materials it's practical.

Jim
 
Thanks again, Jim! I enjoy having my designs commented by you cause you have the "detail" eyes and experience to point out the "tweaks"!
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I suppose the contest is close today?
Best of luck everyone!
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Here we go! The last of the lot....finale! The revised version with input from Jim. Thanks!
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The dotted line now indicates where the stock billet is. Extra pin have been added at the top and the bottom as well. The handle scales is Polished Micarta(for sure), "Talonite banana?"
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hehe, who knows?

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