Tarp/ground cloth, good idea?

schmittie

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Only you can be the judge of that. It's going to depend on a lot of factors not least the weather, and how motivated and disciplined you are.

One sees many fair-weather types stringing tarps of about that size up high with long guys in order to gain a bit of headroom whilst saving on weight and bulk. That's all well and good for a gentle vertical shower devoid of wind that isn't going to last long, but for any serious use pitching like that is more about a psychological comfort of having a roof and perhaps as more as a parasol kind of thing than any serious weather protection.

Take a peek at the pic below. I seldom use a lid that size because it is too inconvenient but on a whim I did a couple of nights out under it just to keep me in touch with mah retro roots. That configuration uses a poncho about the size you mention, and it is the most weatherproof way of doing it. What you should note:

1] I am longer than 6' so I have very little beyond my head and feet. Unless the rain is vertical or comes exactly side on and the wind doesn't change something is going to get wet.

2] The apex is only about 2' from the floor. When you consider the geometry and how little useful room there is at the apex, say compared to a dome shape, the effective usable height is much lower. In fact, the apex is only really useful for allowing you a tiny bit of wiggle room to load into the sleeping bag inside.

3] There is almost no room for gear.

4] Cooking under one is a pain.

5] What you can't see from that pick is that I use it in conjunction with a bivvy bag. Not only does that nerf the water ingress problems but also I can shuffle the foot end out and drag mah pack in to close the head of the tarp. It's also the solution to making coffee and breakfast which you might not necessarily want to get up to do, especially if it is raining.

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Since it is a BOB situation, and funds are limited, have you looked into Tyvek as an option? its light, and cheap, a would give you lots of chances to figure out what you wanted until you drop the coin on the good stuff.
 
I am limited on funds currently but I have seen some suggest Bushcraft USA's Ground cloth. It is affordable and lightweight which I like. I could get several for different kits. But at only 5x7 is it too small? Do any of you have it or have used it? What do you think?

http://www.bushcraftoutfitters.com/Multipurpose-Survival-Tarp-Coyote-Tan-survival-tarp-coyote.htm
Just so you know, many tarps/ground sheets are actually smaller than their stated size. If you're concerned that the size you're looking at is already pushing the limit for your use, you may want to go for something a little larger.
My Black Diamond 4x6 rope tarp is 3'9" by 4'9"(maybe it was supposed to be 4x5?), while my BCUSA 5x7 ground sheet is 4'7" by 6'6".
I find a small tarp handy as an extra item, and am not using them for things that need a particular size, so no complaints, but I can see how people might be disappointed by the discrepancies.
 
You can also try the All Weather Blanket from MPI Outdoors on for size - it's also 5 x 7 and can be found online for about $11

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I use a 10 x 10 Etowah tarp myself.
 
^^^These are great little ground cloths, in the summer, colored side up adds a little color to the floorless shelters. In the winter or when snow is on the ground, shiny side up to help reflect the heat into the pad. I think I have 4 of these, 2 orange, 2 OD green. small lightweight and pack well. I don't know if I would use them as a tarp for my only shelter, but that's just me. Here is one of the orange-ish red ones in my supertarp last memorial day.

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You can also try the All Weather Blanket from MPI Outdoors on for size - it's also 5 x 7 and can be found online for about $11

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I would say these thick emergency type blankets are ideal as a ground cloth because they are so robust. My buddy has one of the BUSA 5 x 7' tarps. It packs far smaller then the emergency blanket but I don't think it would last that well as a ground cloth under abrasive conditions (probably fine on grass and leaves). I would say if you were really hankering for a ground cloth then either the emergency blanket, a cheap polytarp or tvek (lightest of the three) would be a good bet.

The BUSA tarp might be better suited as an emergency shelter tarp, as an emergency backpack cover or maybe you could turn it into a bushcraft chair with low bulk. As a regular shelter tarp, 5x7 is too small. I prefer my 7 x 9.5' sil-nylon but think a 6' x 8' polytarp could get you through at low cost and relatively low bulk. However, a 5 x 7 tarp paired up with your regular shelter tarp can be good as well for extra coverage over a fire pit or as a makeshift elevated awning in conjunction with your shelter.
 
Yea I gotta agree with Spoolup, kgd and anyone else who likes the All Weather Blanket. It is a bit small for a tarp unless doing a tarp/bivy combo and even then but works great for so many things. Super durable as well. Used one as a ground cloth for years until the cat pissed on it. I hate cats......
 
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Those BCUSA 5X7 tarps would be perfect for a BOB emergancy shelter. A casulty blanket is a great ground cloth, but its bulky. BCUSA does make a 10x10 too if you are wanting a shelter type tarp.

Walmart has nylon 5x7 tarps in the camping section for like 5 bucks. Not as nice as he BCUSA ones, but it could give you an idea of its capabilities. The BCUSA one has 6 good tabs, and is a great piece of kit made in USA. for me its a no brainer. I love mine. They do sell out quick though.

Ive used a GI poncho for years as a groundcloth and its still goin strong. I think they are plenty durable if you take care preping your shelter/location.
 
I think Tyvek is the way to go. Light, tough, waterproof. If it gets worn out chunk it.
 
I routinely use a 5x8 poncho/tarp, it's definitely on the small side for a tarp/shelter, but doable. You need to be proficient with your pitches and your site selection. If your contemplating using this for anything other than an emergency shelter, a bivy imo is a must
 
for a camping tarp like that to use either as a shelter, ground cover or what ever I just use a walmart tarp i got from the camping section. I think its a 10x10 brown on one side and silver grey on the other. Its diffidently not as packable as the thinner more expensive ones but I roll it up under my pack. I also put it over my tent as a secondary rain tarp and that has kept me very dry in rough storms.
 
I used an Army poncho as my main tarp for years

As mtwarden says "You need to be proficient with your pitches and your site selection. "

But I was light weight packbacking
I would go with something much larger if I had it in a car
 
I used an army poncho as well. If you want to go cheap for a BoB I would recommend this as it can double as rain gear. I prefer sleeping under a tarp so after I had saved up some money I went ahead and got a swack-shack from survival solutions. Its 7.5'/9' and runs about $85, which is still reasonable if you consider that the Super Tarp by Kifaru runs about $310
 
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