Taylor/Schrade Question

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With all of the rumors flying around about the future of Schrade, I was wondering how Taylor might mark their "new" Schrade knives if they started producing them again in the USA? Would they be identified as Taylor/Schrade? I guess my concern is holding on to the value of the original material. Any thoughts on how these things work in the knife world?
Do manufacturers usually use different markings when something like this happens?
 
Taylor owns the original names and model numbers, and design patents on any active patents. It is reasonable to assume that they would resume using them.

If they use different materials, or change the designs, or quality or country of manufacture, then I believe the new Schrades would be easily discernable from the old. At least to people familiar with the Ellenville knives. If they are identical in material and workmanship, then it will be hard to tell the difference.

Will Taylor use a cartouche? We'll have to wait and see. They don't have to. This is one reason I am trying to get my Schrades before the new ones hit the market. Ones I want to keep and duplicates of some to sell later on if the demand is there.

How will the new ones effect the collector price of the Ellenville knives? I think a more appropriate question might be how will the price of the Ellenville Schrades effect the price of the Taylor Schrades. Taylor Schrade will have a high mark to aim for, longtime customer expectations, but they might just pull it off. They have said that they will produce some high end collector knives, here in the U.S. I think.

Weigh in here guys. I know there are a lot of points I have missed! ;)

Codger
 
Welcome to the forum, Larmar.

Stewart Taylor can mark his knives any damn way he pleases, now that he owns the brand names.

This is a long running problem (at least I see it as a problem) when someone buys a brand name and begins making new knives using the old tang stampings. Jim Parker was infamous for this. Causes much, much expense and disappointment among new-- and sometimes experienced-- collectors. The thing is, in 50 years (easy lifespan for a collectible knife) some of those old Parker rip-offs will be causing even more confusion.

Some manufacturers are honorable about this. When AG Russell issued some new Cattaraugus knives, they were plainly marked so as not to be confused with the oldies. And when AGR makes a knife, it's a good one, able to stand on its own bolster, so to speak.

Your first line of defence is to educate yourself. Handle lots and lots of old Schrades, Schrade-Waldens, Ulsters, ect. Learn to recognize the bone, the delrin, the celluloid handles. The old tang marks and how they were applied. Sounds intimidating, but it is enjoyable to learn.

Your fallback position is right here in the trenches with the rest of us. Bernard Levine's forum and the 'Tradional' forum here at BFC will be able to answer your questions, as well as the more informed members here.

As to what the Taylor/Schrades will mean to us- the value of our collections, and the amount we have to pay to add (old, original products) to our collections, remains to be seen. I honesly don't know.

Don't be a stranger, Larmar.

Phil
 
Thanks for the information. I have just started in the knife collector arena. I fell in love with the Schrade knives and have been stocking up ever since. So far, my small collection is composed of Uncle Henry, OT,'s and a few Ducks Unlimited. With all of the knives on the market due to the closing of Schrade, I have been stocking up while the prices are still good, and still available. It dawned on me however that if Taylor started flooding the market with the same material, my dollars might have been poorly spent.

Thanks again. Looks like a good group here. I have already gotten lots of info just browsing around.
 
One thing will be helpful, even if the knives are marked the same, the Shrade boxes have the Ellenville NY address...

-Bob
 
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