tell me about this case folder please

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morvlorv

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I was wondering if anyone would care to tell me a little about this case folder I have.
Any history behind it or any interesting facts behind it?
Is it at all rare or there are tons of them in the wild?
For me its my December knife that rides loose in the pocket in the month of December, hopefully for obvious reasons, hah.

Thanks crew,

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I don't know how rare they are, but you don't see them pop up very often.
This time of year you see a bunch of the Christmas Tree handles pop up, but not often a Small Coke Bottle.
 
It is from the Jim Parker era at Case. And nothing from that era was terribly rare unless it was marked Prototype - then there may only be 20-50 of them :D

If I knew the specifics I have forgotten them; but Parker had just taken over Case and made many centennial sets. There was a large 100 knife set, curly maple set, couple damascus sets, Christmas Tree 7 knife set, etc. Not rare, but not seen often these days - most are dormant in collections or already gone because of the handles curling / shrinking on them. A nice knife for sure.
 
Thanks for the replies guy.
So i take it they dont make the small coke bottle any longer?
Its a nice model i think. I like it more than my peanuts for that similar size.
I do remember reading a number of years ago something about that handle material decomposing or something like that?
If this is from 1989, should i worry about this decomposition?
 
Hickory n steel said:
Case needs to bring back the coke bottle.
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morvlorv said:
So i take it they dont make the small coke bottle any longer?
Its a nice model i think. I like it more than my peanuts for that similar size.
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They don't make the Small Coke Bottle any longer. I agree that it's a terrific pattern and I'd like to see it come back. I only have one myself, but now that I have one I'm keeping my eyes out for good deals on more. There are several on The Bay at varying prices.

 
JohnDF said:
They don't make the Small Coke Bottle any longer. I agree that it's a terrific pattern and I'd like to see it come back. I only have one myself, but now that I have one I'm keeping my eyes out for good deals on more. There are several on The Bay at varying prices.

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You got a real looker there.
 
JohnDF said:
They don't make the Small Coke Bottle any longer. I agree that it's a terrific pattern and I'd like to see it come back.
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Definitely a great pattern. A little bigger than the Peanut, not quite as big as a Small Texas Jack, very pocketable. I have a couple of them myself, both in smooth Appaloosa bone, and a Rough Rider version. It was always something on my radar when I was accumulating, I just never found many of them.

That Christmas Tree version in the first post is great. Too bad it was made with celluloid for the handle material.
 
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morvlorv said:
Thanks for the replies guy.
So i take it they dont make the small coke bottle any longer?
Its a nice model i think. I like it more than my peanuts for that similar size.
I do remember reading a number of years ago something about that handle material decomposing or something like that?
If this is from 1989, should i worry about this decomposition?
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Real celluloid gives off corrosive gases as it decomposes that is like rust on steroids to knife blades. Some celluloid is worse than others. I don't know about this particular knife. I would recommend you store the knife separate from the rest of your blades and keep an eye on it for corrosion. They can be re-scaled. I had a celluloid jack that went real bad and Glennbad of this forum did a great job re-scaling it in a beautiful wood.--KV
 
Cool knife!:thumbsup:
The Christmas tree handles are beautiful but known for being one of the worst as far as off-gassing/ decomposing. Most definitely keep it away from other knives. IMO
 
Ramrodmb said:
Cool knife!:thumbsup:
The Christmas tree handles are beautiful but known for being one of the worst as far as off-gassing/ decomposing. Most definitely keep it away from other knives. IMO
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A Fightn' Rooster in Xmas tree was the one I had fixed. It even ate through the brass liners.--KV
 
morvlorv said:
I do remember reading a number of years ago something about that handle material decomposing or something like that?
If this is from 1989, should i worry about this decomposition?
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I have not seen any of these CT variations have a gassing problem - only curling / shrinking. But I think if it is fine at this point - you should be good.

The actual german style chistmas tree celluloid (Fight'n Rooster / Bulldog) was very bad at gassing.
 
kvaughn said:
Real celluloid gives off corrosive gases as it decomposes that is like rust on steroids to knife blades. Some celluloid is worse than others. I don't know about this particular knife. I would recommend you store the knife separate from the rest of your blades and keep an eye on it for corrosion. They can be re-scaled. I had a celluloid jack that went real bad and Glennbad of this forum did a great job re-scaling it in a beautiful wood.--KV
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Ramrodmb said:
Cool knife!:thumbsup:
The Christmas tree handles are beautiful but known for being one of the worst as far as off-gassing/ decomposing. Most definitely keep it away from other knives. IMO
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is there anything in particular that makes them decompose quicker?
is there something i can spot that would show the process has started?

thanks for the advice to keep it away from other knives, I have had it with all my other knives on my dresser.
 
You will know it's off gassing when the blade starts to corrode on the visible part of the blade when it is closed first. There will be a visible line most of the time. The only way to stop it I know of is to remove the scales. I'm not sure what triggers the decomp but some is worse than others. SS may be more resistant to this corrosion, I don't know. I don't see any in your pics.--KV
 
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i just had a closer look over the knife, i havn't really inspected it in a while.
Is this what curling looks like?
If so, will it get worse, or this is about it? or its too tough to know, hah

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Yes, that is curling. Unknown if it will get worse; I would think there would be a point in time where it finishes the process. I have seen many in the exact condition you picture.

As to spotting "gassing"; if you want to discover it before it actually causes damage - keep all your composite handled knives in a display case with a glass front. Check them every month or so. If a knife starts to "fog" or discolor the glass right above it - store it by itself.
 
morvlorv said:
is there anything in particular that makes them decompose quicker?
is there something i can spot that would show the process has started?

thanks for the advice to keep it away from other knives, I have had it with all my other knives on my dresser.
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I believe the consensus is that heat and/or light and being in a confined space will speed up the process.
I have noticed a very thin line of orange discoloration develop on the shield and /or bolsters of knives that have started the process. Then it progresses until the exposed areas of the blade (sticking above the blade well) are affected and start to rust.
If you type "celluloid" into the search function at the top right of the page up there ^, then check the box for "search titles only", you will get a few pages of reading.:eek:
Here is the first page of results:
https://www.bladeforums.com/search/28003302/?q=celluloid&o=date&c[title_only]=1
There was a good article from the Oregon knife collectors club on celluloid, but I can't seem to find it.


morvlorv said:
i just had a closer look over the knife, i havn't really inspected it in a while.
Is this what curling looks like?
If so, will it get worse, or this is about it? or its too tough to know, hah

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Oooh man, I hate to say this.... but, that doesn't look good. It's hard to know if it will get worse or how long it will take, but my guess is that it will continue. Sorry:thumbsdown:
 
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