Tell me more about these Seiko watches

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I'm not as keen on watches as I am on knives so please help me out. I've heard talk about cheap Seiko's. The "Black Monster" and the Auto 5. How much could they be had for and where's a good, reputable source to get them(excluding ebay)? The "BM" is kinetic..or automatic..or whatever you call the one that doesn't need a battery, right? And so is the Auto 5? How waterproof are they and can they be fitted with a Rhino band? Thanks for your time and patience. Just what I need, another way to lose money I don't already have:rolleyes: :D . I'm sure everyone can relate, though.:)
 
The 'monster' is a large diver that hit it pretty popular with the seiko community.

Both the monster and the 5 are automatic movements. (automatic means your movement charges up a mainspring, 'kinetic' means your movement charges up a battery). So they both are watches that do not require battery replacement.

You told us to exclude it, but Ebay is a great place to pick up watches. I'm wearing a Seiko 5 that I picked up for about 55.00 off ebay, and everything worked out very smoothly.

you could also check
www.roachman.com
www.chronograph.com
www.skywatches.com.sg

Go for the seiko 5. ;)
 
oh yea.

I've seen monsters fitted with Rhino straps.
The 5 has 18mm posts, so Rhinos won't fit. I tried. :(
 
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and the monster is a diver, so I figure it's pretty damn water resistant. it says 200m, and I believe every bit of it.

5's are tested to 50m.
 
Specifically referring to your question about auto/kinetic, it is true that both don't require a change of batteries. However, there is a world of difference between the two types, though they both use a rotor to power an energy storage device.


The Seiko Kinetic movement is a self-powered (more accurately wearer-powered) quartz. It uses rotor to spin a generator, which charges a small capacitor.

You want to avoid this. The reason is that eventually the charge-holding ability of the cap that they use wears down and instead of just springing for a few bucks to get a new battery, you are stuck with a useless watch unless you want to pay for the specialized service. You can replace it yourself, but you'd have to be pretty proficient with tiny electronics.


The Seiko Auto movement is a mechanical movement (and a fairly good one at that), meaning that is free of any sort of electronics. The energy storage in this watch comes from a spring. The rotor winds the mainspring, which powers the escapement, which regulates the geartrain and lets you see what time it is. Sweet...

Mechanical watches are not for everybody, but I prefer them by a vast margin to quartz. Most people who can appreciate a well-made knife would probably agree with this.



OK, so the Black Monster is a dive watch. While not technically "waterproof" (no watch truly is), it can withstand way more pressure than you can, so if you are ever in a situation where the inside of your watch gets wet, you'll be dead anyway. This doesn't happen to many people. I'm exaggerating here, but not much. 200m is pretty damn deep.


Whether a rhino band will fit depends on the lug size of the case. I'm guessing that they do make in the right size, but I can check.


A good source of info on where to get them would be on timezone.com. pmwf.com (poor man's watch forum) also discusses the Seiko autos extensively. Yes, this is considered a poor man's watch as far as mechanical ones are concerned, but it's a very good movement, it just lacks the snob appeal of the Swiss brands.


I could be wrong, but I think that the "Auto 5" name refers to a class of automatic movements rather than a specific watch. So the BM is a type of Auto 5.
 
Best prices I have seen ont he black monster are at www. chronograph.com. Just ordered one for my broither-in-law. Great watch, 200m water resistant.
 
Originally posted by Diamond Cut II
I'm not as keen on watches as I am on knives so please help me out. I've heard talk about cheap Seiko's. ..and the Auto 5. How much could they be had for and where's a good, reputable source to get them(excluding ebay)?

I'm in the UK, so believe me I'd not rule out ebay.
I'm on my 3rd Auto 5 now.

The second one I lost.

The first one I wore from the age of 12 till I was 39. Had 9 new glasses in it. I was a clumsy kid.

Mine gains about one or two minutes a week. The first one never gained, so's I'd notice.

I'd really recommend 'em - waterproof? Been snorkelling in the first one. Too old to do stuff like that now...
 
All of this Seiko talk finally pushed me over the edge. I just ordered up a SKX171K dive watch from chronograph.com. Now I've just gotta' score me a 22mm Rhino band for it and I'm all set.

Does anybody have an idea of how resistant the Seiko Hardlex crystal is to Deet, that nasty stuff in most insect repellents? I can't tell you how many watches I have with a permanent melted fog on the crystal.
 
Originally posted by Buzzbait


Does anybody have an idea of how resistant the Seiko Hardlex crystal is to Deet, that nasty stuff in most insect repellents? I can't tell you how many watches I have with a permanent melted fog on the crystal.

Seiko's Hardlex crystal is a mineral glass, which should be impervious to common chemicals found in insect repellent and typical household products.

My SKX173 has been sprayed/splashed with insect repellent, sunblock, wd-40, kerosene, etc. with no problems - still as clear as new.

If the DEET you use actually melts the top layer of that crystal, then you've got bigger problems to worry about :eek:
 
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