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Ok....so, I have a BM42 that I adore. (who doesn't?) My dilemma is this; I want a knife to carry everyday, and I would choose the 42, except that I live in cali, where they are illegal. Should I chance carrying the 42 everyday, or just get another BM? (A legal, yet boring, folder) What would you all do?

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Strati
 
I was thinking about this too. Getting caught with a bali could potentially wind me up in legal hot water. I'm considering getting a folder to carry, specifically a Spyderco Endura. Didn't like the looks of Spyderco knives at first but they're starting to grow on me. And I've heard nothing but raves about their quality.
 
I think it is best to only carry legal knives-you never know when you might get searched. Once I was in a subway when there was a bank robbery nearby and the cops detained me for several minutes. I was lucky that the bank robber didn't have a beard like I do so they let me go without searching me. I was also grateful that the knife in my pocket was a legal Timberline Envoy and not a balisong. As a government employee a criminal record would mean goodbye job for me. It is hard avoiding the temptation to carry a balisong and I do carry it on rare occasions such as hiking in a remote area with no cops around.
 
I just wanted to throw in my $.02 and say IT IS A DAMN SHAME that a balisong can get you thrown in jail but a folder will be overlooked. In my eyes, both can be deployed in a similar quick fashion if you know your knife!

Sorry, had a bad day.
 
I agree with tonyccw. If you can deal with the consequences of your actions go for it. I'm fortunate in that I live in upstate NY where they aren't considered a deadly weapon.
 
Sorry to here about your dilema, but my idea is to stay on the legal side of things. Here in wonderful Ohio I can carry one as long as its not concealed.
 
I've never lived in what could be considered a "big city", so my view may be a bit skewed. But it takes a lot to get yourself searched around here. You could strap a pound of heroin to each leg under you pants, and as long as you didn't physically attack a L.E.O, you're not going to get frisked. And let's say that you DO get frisked in a situation like Nash the Slash talked about, even when you haven't done anything wrong. Being respectful and honest with police will let them know you're not going to start stabbing people. I once went through the airport metal detectors with a jaguar in my back pocket. I remained calm, showed just a hint of shame (that's the trick ;)), and I was just told to put it back in my car. From the day I got both of my 42's, neither has been in a different room than I. I've even been into a couple of Cop Shops strapped with both of them. But then again, where I live, if you can't see a cow in front of you, you probably just need to turn around. :D It's hicksville, and cops are laid back.
 
Well here in rednecksville very few would care but I would get a backup 42 if you are going to carry it so if it gets confiscated you have a spare at home.
 
All I can tell you is that I don't carry them. I play with them at home. If you get caught with one concealed, it is a felony, I believe, somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
 
No doubt you should have another knife on hand. Weather or not your gonna get in trouble with your bali is dependant on were you are. When I 1st started out with Bali's I was living in Africa. No one cared if ou had a knife in anyway. They rairly bothered to turn on the metal detectors in the air ports. Look at what can happen if you carry it, and what can happen if you don't. Don't pick the lesser evil, chose the greater good.
 
well I carry two balis usually, except at school.
I mean come on- it's New Hampshire! Most of the cops around here are cool anywy. Now when I go into the city, I usually leave the bali's at home. Or if I'm just in Boston going to, say, Faneul Hall, I'll still carry. Or if I'm at the mall I'll usually still carry. But if I was planning to walk around in the city and whatnot, I'd just convert my neck-knife by putting a clip on it and sticking it on my belt. It's legal size, so I'd be good.

Besides, I never do anything that would get me searched, and if I do I have NH's super-vague knife laws in my vest pocket to aid me.
 
I have lived and worked in So California for a long time, and have carried many different "cutlery" pieces including Balisongs for just as long. Obviously this area is known for somewhat unforgiving laws in regard to "knives".., and not much needs to be said about "specific" laws, or maximum charges that can be imposed by law enforcement folks.

Some of you have touched on what (in my opinion) is the key to the "what to carry" dilemma ~~> COMMON SENSE !!

I have seen -in person-, two knives taken by the police. One was a folding tactical, a Crawford Shark to be exact, and it was confiscated by a plain clothes LAPD Officer from a less than scholarly 20-something year old guy that was shooting pool in a fairly nice bar, but displaying his "talents" by thumb-flicking it open, rolling it through his fingers...etc. He was not loud, and not threatening anyone or being confrontational.., simply being "dumb", and having a good time with his friends until he lost his $350 folder.
In this state.., this officer certainly could have arrested the guy, no doubt about it. No arrest was made..., and after the officer talked to the guy outside for about 10 minutes, he returned inside and finished his beer minus one fairly expensive knife.

The other knife I've seen taken...was a Dalton "Gypsy", and it was confiscated outside the entrance gate to the now defunct "Great Western Show" in Pomona. In this instance.., a guy was showing a female companion the knife, and cycled it automatically three or four times while waiting in line. This time it was a uniformed officer (County Sheriff).., but the antecendant and consequences were similar. The officer escorted the guy and his lady friend away, but I did see the guy in the show later, and asked what happened. He said the knife was confiscated and that the officer ran his ID from his car checking for "Wants & Warrants"..., explained that automatic knives over 2 inches are illegal to carry, and kept the knife.

I think it's also important to mention that this particular show probably had 12-15 vendors that openly sold illegal automatic knives. Of course they had a sign saying..."Automatic Knife Sales to Law Enforcement or Military Personnel Only"..., but they sold them to anyone that could heave the $$$ onto the counter. This was no secret to law enforcement people, and literally thousands of autos, Balisongs, and other similarly "illegal" items were sold daily at
this show. I never saw, or heard about, anyone being searched leaving the show, or asked to show any law enforcement agency what they purchased.

Since California law in regard to edged weapons is so stringent, these two examples may not be representative of "common practice" for many of you, but I do think it highlights the importance of employing your brain if you are carrying something for self-protection that may interest a police officer (which of course includes our beloved "flippers"). Even here, where knife and gun laws are considered absolutely rediculous, I have not seen (or heard of) "normal" looking people being searched while pursuing daily activities. If you are standing on a corner in East Los Angeles with a red headband, wearing a BalisongXtreme T-Shirt, have "Love" & "Hate" tattooed across your knuckles, a Rap-Sheet that reads like you are the "Bad Guy" in a "B Movie", and are enjoying some Columbian herb while flipping a BM 45.., you are going to prison for "Felony Possession", and anything else the District Attorney can think of while you await trial in County Jail.

Obviously the example above is "Xtreme" <~~ free concealex sheath for tag-line Clay :cool: .., but how we "look" and conduct ourselves is an undeniable variable that increases or decreases how we are perceived and treated by law enforcement. Whether it's "fair" or not is for philosophers I suppose.., but it is ~~> TRUE !! Age is also a factor that has to be taken seriously. I was much more careful about what I "possessed" when I was between 21-35. If you fit the profile and/or demographics of a group that leads the league in assaults and violent crime.., you will be "profiled", and risk a greater chance of getting searched for questionable reasons..., especially in urban areas.

As mentioned.., it is certainly wise to know the laws where you live, and also get a sense of how those laws are enforced. In the two cases I mentioned which fall under personal experience, it seems to me that California is fairly subjective about imposing maximum penalties on those found in possession of illegal knives. Could those guys I mentioned have been charged with Felony Possession?? I would say -YES-...., probably so. Would they have been convicted of a felony...??? I don't think so. After plea-bargaining, and with an absence of prior convictions, threatening or aggressive behavior, and "Bad-Dude-Attidtude", I think you basically lose whatever you were carrying, get a strong message about "THE LAW".., and donate a nice knife to your local law enforcement agency. In California..., going through this process a second time wouldn't be a good idea!!!

Sooooo....-yeah I'm almost done- :).., primary concerns are:

(1)Your local laws and how seriously they are enforced.
(2)Your age and how you conduct yourself while "carrying".
(3)Past involvement/convictions by law enforcement???
(4)Can your survival needs be met as well or better with something
"legal"?

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = COMMON SENSE!


"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seekers hunt what they [NEED]"
 
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