Testing sharpness

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I'm a somewhat new knifenut. I have been experimenting with sharpening my knives and having (very) limited success. I haven't managed to get my knife sharp enough to shave hairs.

My question is: How do you test the sharpness of the knife (other than shaving)?

Slicing fingers is out of the question. :)

Thanks, PJC
 
I'm partial to printer paper myself. I consider my knives pretty sharp when they will cleanly push cut through the paper with little or no effort. Shaving hair without touching the skin is a good one too.
--Josh
 
I test sharpness on paper. No more hair left on my arms to shave.:D


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"I'm on the chopping block, chopping off my stopping thought."
 
My preferred method is to plunge the blade into the hood of a Mercedes, and proceed to open it from the center towards the drivers side wheel well. :D
Since that gets a bit expensive, I settle for slicing the newspaper, shaving arm/leg hair or the oh so mundane, but efective,, test it on my thunbnail.

Course, anybody with a desire to see how far a blade will go in a 450SEL, ,,,,you supply the car, and I'll supply the blade. ;)
 
Consider a slightly different path. If you are having a hard time sharpening, then perhaps you will benefit more from learning to sharpen better, than from learning how to test sharpness better.

Joe Talmadge has written a Sharpening FAQ. Check here:

http://www.bladeforums.com/faqs/

Pay particular attention to "raising a burr". It will tell you WHEN you have sharpened enough on one side, and it's time to turn the blade over and start to sharpen the other side.

Take care,
bug
 
You may want to look back about a month or so. I also posted this question and received quite a few good ideas.
 
I use printer paper if I'm sharpening at home, fingernails if I'm at work... it may not look great, but it's an easy way to test.
 
Once you get used to feeling an edge with your thumbnail, all you need to do is place the edge on the thumbnail tilted in both directions and press it ever so lightly. Without even moving the blade you should be able to feel the edge. If you can feel it in both directions the knife is sharp enough to slice paper edge on. If you only feel it in one direction you just need a very light hone on one side of the edge to set it straight.

We have a knife sharpening service for kitchen cutlery as a part of our business and we sharpen kitchen knives every day. We do it quickly and roughly on commercial sharpening equipment because kitchen knives shouldn't be shaving sharp. It should cut roughly and agressively like a minature saw. Nevertheless, I feel for the edge in both directions and when I feel it, even an 8" chef's knife will slice paper. That's when I know it's done. All one would have to do to make such a knife shaving sharp is to polish the edge on either a very fine grit stone or a strop.

I learned the thumbnail test from a bookbinding master who really knew how to sharpen tools and it has worked for me for many many years. Take care.
 
Razor edge systems has an edge tester ( http://www.razoredgesystems.com/catalog/tester.html ) that can be used as a good guage for the ultimate edge, but I rarely need anything quite that precise. I typically use the arm-hair shaving technique (how clean a path does one light swipe cause?).

I'll also point out that Razor Edge systems has the Razor Edge Book of Sharpening which many have called the sharpening Bible. It does explain theories of sharpening fairly well.
 
Fred,

That is a great idea. I had never thought of that particualr method and I will be sure to mention to the guys in our sharpening department.
 
In addition to slicing paper I like to filet paper.

Lay print paper on a flat surface and slice a layer of the paper off without cutting all the way through.

Another challenging test is slicing through the large 3 ply tissues used in some offices.
 
Question about that thumbnail test. Do you mean that you push the blade like you're gonna push cut through your thumbnail? Do that gently from one side then the other?

--Matt
 
Matt:

You're actually feeling for the burr of metal which is turned over the edge as you hone. As you hone one side the burr moves to the opposite side. Just place the edge on your nail tilted one way or the other. No need to press the weight of the knife is enough. If you have a burr, you'll feel it on one side and not on the other. Then if you hone the side with the burr, the burr will move to the other side. When the burr moves like this with one light pass of the hone, then the knife is quite sharp (depending on the bevel angle, of course.) When you get the same feeling from both sides of the edge on your thumbnail the burr is either gone or it is straight. The only way to make the knife sharper than it is at this point is to polish the edge or to make the bevel angle more acute (thereby making it more delicate.) Try it as you hone and you'll get the idea very quickly. It's much easier for you to feel it than for me to explain it. Stay sharp.
 
Personally, I have a couple of different stages of sharpness that I use to evaluate.

First stage, hold the knife end on and look down the edge. If you are at a reasonable starting point, then the edge should look like two lines meeting. This can also help with the sharpening process, because you can often see if you are hitting the bevel instead of the edge when you sharpen, you can also see if you are raising a burr as well.

Second stage, run my thumb across the blade edge (not down the length) to see if the edge catches in the ridges of my thumb print.

Third stage, shave hair - going both directions and with either hand using the knife.

Fourth stage, a couple of different tests. Can I:
Slice down the edge of a piece of regular printer paper and create a thin long curl? (You can substitute the paper shivving test described above as well here. Periodically I do with a thin blade.)
With a quick slice while holding the paper in the air slice a section off of the paper, without tearing it?
Take a long slow slice through the paper traveling the full length of the edge to see if it slices cleanly along the entire length?
Fold the piece of paper in half, have it stand on a cutting board, in an angle, looking like an L from the top and use the knife to slice down the length of the fold without crushing the paper.

I've also used the thumbnail test described above. Incidently, not every edge geometry would pass all of the tests described. For whatever reason, I have the worst time with my Benchmade mini - stryker. I'm too lazy to reprofile it (yet) but it is by far the worst cutting knife I own.
 
qwertyname :

Incidently, not every edge geometry would pass all of the tests described.

That is a very important point. Any test of sharpness which involves cutting something is testing cutting ability of which sharpness is only one factor. This is very critical to note when you are working on your technique or trying different stones, you want to compare edges with similar geometries or otherwise you might make misleading conclusions. Steel type should also be a factor, but it is very small compared to what I have seen, and dominated by geometry and edge aligment and polish.

-Cliff
 
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