thanx for the divesre and overwelming response to this one guys! i'm not going to leave the forum or anything crazy like that,words are louder than actions sometimes and i must have gotten a little hastey for a minute there in saying that.opinions was what i was looking for and thats what i got, exactly what i wanted! i knew they would differ greatly from one to the next and they did.and for the last opinion i feel that i gave the people what they wanted and they all knew what they were getting and no i'm not going to do this again because it was just a one time deal,90% had seen this on tv and wanted in on it, so i gave it to them....end of story. everyone is happy with what they got and alot came back for more.am i worried about a knife failing and hurting someone? not really because the light utility they get at work is nothing more than cutting a few plastic straps over the coarse of the night.there was one however....failure. a pocket clip attatchment broke, thats about all. i have even asked some of the guys how they have done with them and no complaints. so in closing i thank you all again for your honest opinions.