That extra step

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What made you take that extra step into the realm of custom slipjoints? I guess this question can be for collectors/users and makers. I would like to see why some makers choose to migrate from fixed blades to slipjoints. I would like to be able to buy some of Tony Bose's knives, among many others. Even if I won a lottery for the chance, I wouldn't be able to afford one. However, with all of the slipjoint makers out there, there are some very talented makers that are moving out of my affordability range :D as their work evolves and demand increases for their knives. Their work is so good, I'm surprised that they haven't increased prices sooner! I have been thinking about ordering a custom Zulu/Tribal Spear or sodbuster. I already have a Laconico folding Nessmuk, it's a beast of a folder.

Reading all of the different maker's threads has kind of propelled me to this. I had been "into" custom folders for a split second, frame locks and liner locks, but got out of it because of $. I figure that there are a lot of great makers in the 500 or below range.
 
I have my first commissioned piece being made right now. I could probably get by just fine without it. Heck GEC makes a great knife and I could use one the rest of my life but they dont make exactly what I am looking for right now. My custom knife will have a one of a kind handle, great steel, the blade combo that I want and the frame is the perfect length. Beyond all of that I am investing in quality craftsmanship. I myself am a tradesman and take great pride in what I do, I enjoy owning things that others hand make so custom knives was not a far stretch for me.
 
I'm taking the extra step this year.
I suppose it's a combination of factors. I don't buy nor own many knives, so I can save money on a few expensive projects. The main factor is, although the world of production cutlery is clearly going through a good time, at least for us traditionalists, yet I'm pretty picky with my taste, and at the same time I realize that my taste drifts a bit from the "average" of American traditionalists, which are, obviously, the target of factory production.

Fausto
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I bought my first custom traditional in 2007 in the form of a Richard Rogers 4 1/4" Sowbelly Stockman. Why? No other knife was like it, it had just what I wanted and no matter how hard production companies try (even case/Bose) they will never match up to the work of the masters of this trade.

Kevin
 
Probably the legal requirement in the UK if i'm honest.

I wanted an EDC knife and a brief look at UK law made a slipjoint the safest option, having grown bored with SAK's I wanted a tough single blade user - it was easy to fall for a sodbuster jr - my collection grew from there.

Having realised that my survival, bushcraft, edc needs should be met by the knife I'm most likely to have on me when I need it, I've stuck to non locking sub 3" knives

quite why there's a dozen different ones on my wanted list I don't know :D
 
I wanted a full sized trapper with carbon steel blades and stag covers back in about 2007, but no one was making such a thing.
 
I cruise the exchange often, and one just spoke to me. It's the only custom slipjoint I have - a Saddlehorn Trapper made by Keith Johnson. It sat unsold for a while, probably because of the Spey blade, and I found myself visiting the thread many times before pulling the trigger.

It's killed me for buying any production slipjoints, as I compare them in the fit and finish dept back to my custom.

I really enjoy it. As far as I know, it's a one of a kind with kingwood scales. It's something I can hand down to my son / grandson.
 
For me, it is the desire to have something unique. Something that nobody else has. And it's fun working with the maker and picking out options.
 
It's killed me for buying any production slipjoints, as I compare them in the fit and finish dept back to my custom.

This is something I've thought about. Great Easterns and Case Bose annuals have soured me on some production slipjoints already.
 
What made you take that extra step into the realm of custom slipjoints?

The ability to get exactly the size, number of blades, blade shape, blade steel, and scale material that I want.

My custom slipjoint experiance ... a friend made me a wonderful D2 custom slipjoint 12 years ago. Although I carry a larger tactical knife too, 99 percent of my cutting chores were done with this slipjoint because it cut the best and didn't freak people out when used. D2 is semi-stainless and after 10 years use, the backspring snapped, it looked a bit rusted, can't complain as got my $100 worth out of it. My friend doesn't make slipjoints any longer, so went in search for a replacement. Bought some factory slipjoints but they weren't anywhere near the quality I was used to so my quest began for a custom that would meet my wants / needs. This slippery slope has resulted in me owning custom slipjoints by Bose, Pena, Davison, Rogers, Brewer, Halfrich, Menefee, Dowell, Lloyd, Oeser, Kramp, et al. Am on the list for several makers, some no longer take orders. Just being on their list does not guarentee a knife as many custom slipjoint makers are part time, not very prolific, with the autonomy to do what they want on thier own schedule. For example, after being on a maker's list for a while, he contacted me and offered a knife in progress in the style I wanted but using Sandvic steel. Not being familiar with that particular steel, I asked for a different steel and was told, "I will build it probably just not right away, I've already got the blade and spring tempered". That was over a year ago and have not been contacted by this maker since. This maker posts new knives for sale so he still makes knives, guess my money is no good since turning down a knife with unknown to me steel, frustrating. Am not whining, just sharing experiance. My photography skills probably scares off a few makers as I can show the even the smallest flaw in a slipjoint. Any maker unafraid to subject their work to the scrutiny of my macro lens and willing to make a knife to my specs, please contact me.

Not in your price range, but if you can swing it, call Enrique Pena and get exactly what you want from arguably the best maker on the planet who is actually taking orders with a fairly short wait. If you want a multiblade slipjoint in your price range, Craig Brewer is your man, about half Pena's price with comparable quality. Craig's work is unmatched for the price, longer wait than Enrique but well worth it, get on his list now before it gets longer. There is one of Craig's lockbacks on the exchange now, Craig made that knife for his own father so you know it is extremely high quality, if it was a little smaller it would be in my collection. If you want a single blade slipjoint in your price range, Todd Davison is the best choice, short wait, great knife, rarely makes multibladed slipjoints. There are others I would recommend but won't due to their extremely long wait. If you see what you want on the secondary market, go for it. In my journey to find a carry custom slipjoint, have recently picked up a couple Lloyds from Vince, much better than any factory knife and Lloyd uses some really nice scale material. You can carry a Lloyd without breaking the bank.

Before finalizing your order, decide exactly what size / blades / scale material you like to carry, harder to do than it sounds. If you get the chance, go to a large knife show with dealers who sell custom slipjoints to look them over as each is slightly different. Even great makers have an occasional dud or a flaw you can't live with, understandable with handmade peened knives. Having the chance to see the finished product before you plunk down your hard earned dollars might help prevent buyer's remorse.

Hope this helps, good luck in your quest.
 
I've been thinking about this for a while now. I have a few extra bucks from my tax return to spend, and it will most likely go toward knives. There are several production patterns and makers that I want to try (ie. GEC Barlow and Hayden's Helper, Queen congress and large stockman, and More Maker lockback). I could probably get most of these with the extra cash, and have myself a nice variety of well made knives to enjoy. Or I could take all of the cash and get myself one nice custom. It's a tough call. From a practical standpoint, its really hard to see the value of a custom when compared to something like a GEC. GEC puts out VERY well made knives that function wonderfully and with a little care, will easily outlive me. There's really nothing more to ask from a knife. That said, I'd bet that if I already owned a custom, I would easily see the value in them. The other thing that's holding me back is fear of loosing it. I just lost my first knife yesterday, and although it was jus an Opinel, it still sucks. I cannot even imagine if it had been a 500.00 custom.
 
I'll throw my opinion in here as a maker, but I want to preface with this; I'm a very new slipjoint maker, but hopefully making strides to making a high quality knife.

As for my motivations (in no particular order):
1. I carry a pocket knife every single day. Sometimes I could carry a fixed blade, but most of the time a pocket knife is easier and more socially acceptable.
2. I love making a miniature machine. The geometry is addicting. Designing a new pattern is part of the fun for me. I worked on a large drop point hunter pattern yesterday. It took me a while to get the "on-paper" action just right. And when that knife snaps open or shut.....magic in your hand.
3. I LOVE being able to make exactly what I want. Want a blade that is 3 1/2" instead of 3"? Ok, I can do that. I'm working on a small line of neck knives and altoid tin knives. I have found that I could use a neck knife at home, because I often wear basketball type shorts or just boxers and a t-shirt around the house, so I'm going to make one. I am making a larger version with ivory and wrought iron for a church knife. My son and I are making a fixed blade each for our canoe trip this summer. It's going to be a wonderful trip, and he will have the pleasure of using his own handmade knife on a lifetime experience trip. I have ideas for certain types of slipjoints, so I make them.
4. I'd never be able to afford a mammoth ivory knife unless I made it. :)

I guess that's it. Working with my hands brings me into the moment in a way very little else can. I am a paramedic in a very busy town and we have five kids. When I'm in my shop, it's MY time.
 
From a practical standpoint, its really hard to see the value of a custom when compared to something like a GEC.

Every time I think that I'll start saving up for one awesome custom this thought always pops up in my head. I think it has a lot to do with where you are in the timeline of being a 'knut'. I am still trying out new patterns, new makers, new steels and materials. Maybe once I've had a more thorough experience of what all is out there I will settle down into one pattern, one maker, one steel, etc....or maybe not. But it's nice to have options, and for every new pattern that GEC or Queen or Case sells me, I can totally understand the guys out there that would rather have one hand-crafted jewel.

I do want to echo what one member astutely noted a few months back: that regardless of what floats your boat, right now it is a great time to be into traditional knives. Tons of production brands doing top-notch work, and custom makers out there to satisfy every price range.
 
Of all the knives I've viewed here, Enrique Pena's have struck me the most. All of the makers here are awesome (Erickson, Coates, Menefee, Lloyd, Davison, Oeser, Ohta, Ryu, Bose of course), but there is just something about Enrique's jigged bone and I love the ones I've seen. This hobby has already gone way beyond where I thought just over a year ago, and I really like sleeping here at home and not in a tent in the backyard so I gotta wait! So I'm actually afraid to get into custom knives. Once I had a custom (modified) watch, I wanted another, then another...then I learned how to build them myself, and made one, then another, then another...

So you see, if I start down that path, I could see a shop full of equipment, and I haven't sold any of my custom built watches, so... :D
 
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