the 3 busse steels

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I'm sorry if this question gets asked often. I've been reading here and on the different Busse-ish web sites for a couple of weeks and can't find my answer.

I'm new here; go by "baker" on several gun forums. Chef for many years and knife-lover. Got my first scrapyard knives, love 'em, and almost had a coronary putting a hand-honed reprofile on my Mutt.

How do the 3 steels compare? This SR77 stuff is not to be sneezed at. Super tuff and still keeps a very flexible fine edge. I have a SR on the way, and a Busse GW. I

s the SR101 "better?" Different? how?

Is Infi head and shoulders above these 2? Difficult to imagine.

I know I will form my own opinions soon, but I would like to here from other users and sharpening geeks, please.
 
One reason to really like INFI is it is pretty corrosion resistant, unlike the other 2 steels.
 
SR-101 takes a very nice edge. A little extra care prevents significant corrosion. INFI is low maintenance with high performance, and also takes a very nice edge. I've found both to be easy to sharpen and maintain. I probably couldn't tell the difference in performance if it were not for the rust resisting properties of INFI.
 
From www.bussecombat.com
Some facts and info about INFI.


Hardness
Although hardened INFI knives are 58-60 Rc we have yet been able to chip an edge. The edge can be dented or misaligned but its high level of malleability at such high hardness has never been duplicated by any other steel that we are aware of or have tested.

Flexibility
In one of our performance tests, we bend a Battle Mistress 35 degrees in a vise and it springs back to true. Why would we do this? What does it prove? What is the benefit to the customer? Not only does this test demonstrate the enormous toughness and lateral strength of an INFI blade but, because our hardness is homogenous and not differential, it demonstrates the amount of lateral strength and "spring" of INFI all the way to the edge. That means that edge of the blade will possess this same toughness. INFI is the only knife steel ever tested that has achieved such high levels of lateral strength with a homogenous hardness of 58 - 60 Rc. No other steel has even neared this performance level.

Edge Retention
Many so-called knife experts have heralded the "wear resistance" of a steel as the key to edge retention. This may very well be true if a knife is designed and intended for the cutting of soft materials ONLY. However, we have never inspected a dull knife and found the edge to be perfectly smoothed away, like a ball bearing. Instead what we find are microscopic chips where the edge has broken or chipped away like glass after having impacted against bone, gravel, or other hard surfaces. This micro chipping dictates that the edge be reground during the resharpening process, which will ultimately lead to a thicker edge and a radical change in overall blade shape. Steels with high wear resistance normally score fairly low in shock resistance, lateral strength, and overall toughness. INFI scores very high in ALL of these categories.

Sharpening
INFI's high level of chip resistance also makes it the easiest steel to resharpen by hand that we have ever encountered. I personally fall into the category of "hand sharpening challenged". I've heard tales of those who can sharpen ball peen hammers to a razor's edge on an Arkansas stone in less than 5 seconds flat. My experiences have always been to the contrary. The spine of the knife is usually sharper than the edge when I'm finished applying my magic stone sharpening technique. One of the great features of INFI is that simply stropping away from the edge (the way a barber strops a straight edged razor) on a ceramic stick is basically all that is required to resharpen INFI. Since you're not chipping steel off the edge there is no need to grind any steel away. This feature of INFI will, likewise, allow you to keep the same overall profile of the knife for a much greater period of time.

How does INFI compare to other steels?
Simple question, complex answer. INFI represents what I have always dreamed of in a knife steel. Tougher, by an enormous margin, than any other steel I've ever tested. Unparalleled edge holding under high impact and in cutting tests. Shock resistance that begs you to "bring it on". An ease of re-sharpening that you have to see to believe and higher levels of lateral strength at high hardness than have ever been achieved by any other steel. We have published our test results and our testing methodology. We have video taped all of these tests and play the video at the knife shows we attend. More importantly, we have duplicated these performance tests in "LIVE" demonstrations at many trade shows throughout the United States. We encourage all manufacturers to put their products through our tests and to publish their results. If you want to know how another maker's knife will compare to a Busse Combat knife, ask the other maker to duplicate our tests in a "live" demo.

Is INFI stainless?
Not supposed to be. However, INFI has demonstrated very high levels of stain resistance in many different climates. Uncoated blades have been tested for years in Alaska and have made their way into the wilds of British Columbia, the High Sierras and tropical rain forests. No rust in Alaska or British Columbia! No rust in the High Sierras, even when exposed to great quantities of blood and left in the wet grass overnight. The tropical rain forest, which has been known to rust plastic (just kidding), did offer the toughest of the environmental exposures and a light speckling of surface oxidation did occur but was easily removed in the field with a hand rubbing of sand and water. No deep pitting was reported. When compared to other cutlery steels in salt spray tests, INFI faired better than ATS-34 and D-2. Although all three grades exhibited surface oxidation, the INFI was not deeply pitted as was common in these other two grades. So, although INFI is not technically a stainless steel, it is certainly not a rust aggressive steel. Couple this with a minimal amount of care and you've got a fairly maintenance free knife.

From www.swampshack.com
SR 101 Overview

(Think of it as 52-100 tool steel with added Kryptonite)

SR-101 Steel is the combination of an extremely fine-grained tool steel and a proprietary multi-step tempering protocol. This process includes the incorporation of a deep cryogenic treatment for grain refinement with the added benefits of differential tempering which add greatly to the overall toughness and strength of what will most certainly prove to be your favourite blade.

From www.scrapyardknives.com
Heat Treat and Tempering
It is in this process that the very soul of a blades performance will be born. It can also be the most expensive process involved in the making of a fine blade. Sadly, the knife buying public has been led to believe that Rockwell Hardness is some sort of gauge by which to determine performance. This is ridiculous! Following standard ASTM heat treating and tempering protocols, a blade made from a standard tool steel can be "properly" heat treated and tempered in less than 1-1/2 hours and brought to a hardness of 57-59 Rc. So what! Take one of our blades that has received our proprietary heat treat and tempering protocol of over 40 hrs. and it will also test out at 57-59 Rc. The fact is that one of our transversion wave tempered SR-77 blades that tests out at 57-59 Rc will spank the living hell out of a standard heat treated knife blade out of the same material that also has a 57-59 Rc hardness.

Grain structure and carbide distribution, are the keys to great performance NOT Rockwell hardness!

Penetrant Inspection - We Don't "Crack" Under Pressure!
Scrap Yard Knife Co. uses a specialized liquid penetration inspection, which reveals surface breaking flaws by bleedout of fluorescent dye from the flaw.

The technique is based on the ability of a liquid to be drawn into a "clean" surface breaking flaw by what is known as capillary action. (Capillary action is the force that is a resultant of adhesion, cohesion, and surface tension in liquids which are in contact with solids, as in a capillary tube.) After a period of time known as the "dwell", excess surface penetrant is removed and a developer applied. This acts as a "blotter". It draws the penetrant from the flaw to reveal its presence. Ultraviolet "black light" is used in darkened conditions to view the colored penetrants for any cracks, fissures, or other flaws.

What does this mean to you? It means your Scrap Yard knife will be free from microscopic cracks and fissures, invisible to the human eye under normal conditions. Whereas other blades, manufactured by other companies, are sent to customers with "unseen" surface flaws that "crack" under pressure, each Scrap Yard knife is individually inspected to be free from any defects.
 
Thanks for the replies. Guyon, I did read those, but didn't see any comparisons between the 3.

SR101 is ball-bearing steel, isn't it?
 
Thanks for the replies. Guyon, I did read those, but didn't see any comparisons between the 3.

SR101 is ball-bearing steel, isn't it?

I think that over time Jerry has explained the differences. But the basis of the steels will pretty much tell you how they are.

SR101 is similar to 52-100 and it has added percentages of certain elements. Another knifemaker once explained it to me. This steel is known for having good all around toughness and great edge holding. It is NOT tougher than the other two steels, but through it's "processing" is made nearly as tough and probably more flexible than the other two. It is Differentially HT'd.

INFI is a super tough steel than can bend like no other steel when you consider it is thru hardenned to an Rc of 58-60 and can go to 85 degrees or more before fracturing. Egde toughness is amazing and it's lateral strength is very high.

SR77 is made from slightly modified S7 steel which is quite possibly one of the toughest steels on the market. Routinely used in Jackhammer bits and cold chisels. I think these knives are probably the best deal in a hard use knife ever made.

According to Jerry INFI is every bit as tough as SR77, which is saying a lot for SR77. INFI holds an edge better than SR77 and is much more corrossion resistant than either SR101 or SR77. Chances are you will never be able to tell the difference between them unless you take them to the point of failure.
 
Don't forget A2 (older Steel Hearts), S30V (Rat Trap)and . . . oh crud. What were those first knives made of. . . brain fade.

Oh, and D2. Some swamp knives were D2. That's 7. Wow!
 
Don't forget A2 (older Steel Hearts), S30V (Rat Trap)and . . . oh crud. What were those first knives made of. . . brain fade.

Oh, and D2. Some swamp knives were D2. That's 7. Wow!

ATS34 was extensively used.
 
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