The final downsizing.

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I've went around the bend at last, and boxed up the last of my own knives to give away. From now on my only pocket knives are the ones from my family in the cigar box on top of my dresser. Over the last several months I've been carrying dad's old peanut, and grandads old Hen and Rooster and getting by quite well. Theres a few other knives in the cigar box that belonged to Uncle Mike, Uncle Pat, friend and co-worker Andy Warden, and fellow soldier Paul Britton.

There may be a reason for this maddness that some would not agree with. I have a third grandchild that is at the stage where he is making semi-intellegent sounds and stumbles about falling down now and then. Plus, finally, our third and last child who we were worrying about a bit, finally got married just over a year ago. Now he and his wife are expecting to make Karen and I grandparents for a fourth time.

Givin the law of averedges, and my present age, I worry about being around for the comming of age of this last grandchild who is going to be born several months from now, give or take a few days. My bone stag peanut and Case yellow soddie are now wrapped in a wood box with a letter to my yet unborn grandchild. If I'm still around in 8 or 9 years I'll give it to him/her myself. My yellow peanut and yellow Eye brand soddie are wrapped up in a box for the toddler who will come of age in about 7 or 8 years.

Now I don't plan on leaving anytime real soon, but I have always been the type to plan for the just in case. Just in case.

I do find it somewhat ironic, that given my liking for soddies, now most of my knives will be stockmen with the sole exeption of dad's old peanut and the Wenger SI that will be in the belt pouch with the little AAA Dorcy LED flashlight. I guess in the end I'll be edc'ing the knives that grandad, dad, Uncle Mike, and the others picked for their edc all those years/decades ago. I'm thinking of all those years I used a Buck 301 stockman in the army, and now in a roundabout way I'm going back to a stockman. Well, they say life is a big circle.

I think that a few recent threads may have got me to thinking about things, in the traditional sense. I took some lemon oil and polished up the stag scales on grandads knife, and the red bone scales on Paul's old Case. Boy, Case did'nt spare the dye back in those days. A bit of rubbing with a soft rag and some lemon oil, and those red bone scales took on a deep blood red sheen. The dull yellow of the old stag on grandads Hen and Rooster turned a mellow golden hue. I'm not even going to polish up the dark grey blades.

Or am I being selfish? Should these old knives be "saved" for the future generations that may wish to collect them? But I think about the fact that they would not know these men like I have known them. They would be just old collector knives to them, with a past imagined in shadows. To me they are part of the family and friends I knew. I can't decribe the pleasure of slicing open a plastic blister package this morning with Uncle Mike's old stockman. The old razor edge carbon blade went through the package just as easy as I imagine it went through the wet canvas straps holding a liferaft on the deck of a certain burning PT boat. Two days ago dad's 1937 era peanut opened a UPS box as neatly as a box cutter.

For better or worse, I gave the two wrapped packages to my two children with the letter in each one for the two different grandchilds. From now on my edc pocket knife is going to be between 50 and 70 years old, somewhat worn but still in decent to good shape.
 
Nice gesture. I would like to make one small suggestion. In addition to those knives that you just boxed up, I think you should write a little letter for each of those knives that you are keeping. It would be an incredibly sad thing if your children and grandchildren did not know the adventures and memories that are associated with your Grandad's stockman, Dad's peanut, Uncle Mike's stockman, and your Uncle Pat's Imperial. With stories those knives are all heirlooms. Without the stories, they are just interesting old knives. Remember all the times that you've seen old knives and wondered if they could talk, what stories they would tell. You can immortalize those stories and they would come alive with a tangible memento in hand to help imagine them.
 
Ya make good sense to me, JK. I think Kamagong has a really good idea about putting down the stories that go with each knife. Heck, if you could get someone to take pics of them, we would love to see pic of each with the story to it.

I don't think your being selfish at all regarding those special knives. Collectors be damned. Those knives are a part of those you were closest too. They are also a part of you. Not that many in this day and age have such a line of continuity as you do. My son lives on the east coast with his family so we really don't see each other, but maybe every several years or more. I don't think he would understand anymore why certain things matter much to me. Maybe a few he would, I don't know. I just know that there won't be much that will have long family ties like your knives do. The downside of the nomadic, to the winds family.

My wife, however, was born and raised in the same little town we live in and hasn't been that many places. Her daddy's family came to this area from Epfig, Alsace around 1871 and her dad spoke Alsatian until he went to school. The nuns beat English into him and the other boys in the area. (Castroville is called the Little Alsace of Texas)

I look at my knives, particularly the ones that are NIB. I want to carry them sometimes, but then I realize I already have to many to carry already in my cigar box. So why mess up some nice knives. I like the idea of settling on one knife for EDC and just a few for odd occasions or just when kicking around a bit.

'Nuff rambling.
Amos
 
JK,Yeah,these 2 guys before me posting,they got a good idea.You should do that,too.
I wish I had that little Buck knife my Grandfather always had on him,who knows where that went.
 
I agree with kamagong. Print, or rewrite the stories that are associated with each of the knives you are keeping so that when you pass, whoever inherits them, also inherets the memories that accompany them, and hopefully they will keep the stories and respective knives together, so that they will never be just an old collector knife, but an old collector knife that speaks, and tells it's story.

How many times do you see an old knife and say, "if only this knife could talk, what stories would it tell?!". Well, your knives CAN talk! But you need to make sure that the story stays with the knife, so that it can talk to generations after you.

So what if you keep them and carry them and use them until the blades are little more than toothpicks. YOU SHOULD! But at least let those little toothpick blades tell there story to someone else, because I am sure that no matter how much you use those old knives, they will still be around when you are gone, and it would be a shame for there respective stories to die with you.
 
Kamagong, Amos, VCM3, Stingray4540, my daughter and granddaughter for the past couple of years have been bushwacking me with a tape recorder and strong toddies. It seems like everytime they get the second drink in my hand and I hear "Daddy, what about the time..." or Christy will goad me on with a "Grandad, tell me the one about the liers circle" and they have the recorder running.

For the past year I've filled up two composition books and run a couple refills for my 40+ year old Cross pen dry just rambling on about the old days in the army, boy scouts, childhood on the bay. Jessica has taken on the duty of family historian, aided over the past year by her younger brother, our son Matt. I don't think that anything is going to be lost if its up to them.
 
Jackknife, sounds great! Good to know your family is keeping up with their history. Even better that they consider your stories interesting and worth hearing again and again.
 
That's awesome Jacknife. :) One thing that's kinda unfortunate about the American society is the disconnect in between the generations. These things that you are leaving them is a "link", if you will, from you to them. When your grandkids get older, they will look at those knives and know who you were and what kinda of life you led.
 
Of course, a published BOOK would be a good historical record as well, not only for your family, but for all your friends around the country and around the world who would LOVE to relive those stories. Liem and his trip to the new world with his 5 inch sheepsfoot sailor's knife? Mr. Van and his scout knife lessons? Your dad opening the coin with the micro film with his Peanut? Whittling slingshots by the secret swimming hole? Traveling cross country on motorcycle with your trusty soddie? These could fill more then one book. I see a few volumes in there.
HINT HINT?!?!?!?
WINK WINK!?!?!?
 
I am new to the forum but I have already read a lot of new and older post from Jackknife, Amos, ElCuchillo and the other people. As I live in Flanders, Belgium (a dot in between France, Germany, UK), it is not always easy to understand your world. But when you talk about tradition (in many ways), friends and family (and slipjoints of course), I guess we are on the same track. My father searched and wrote down the familyhistory. Since the 1350's we are living in an area of about forty miles. No nomads here (no knights nor dukes or kings either).
My granddad always had a Herder slipjoint (worn out to half the blade) that he used for everything (in the factory, for eating). It is quite a while ago, but I think from then on I got interested in knives. After buying bigger knives, I now buy these workmans slipjoints again. Herder doesn't make slipjoints anymore, but Löwen-Messer (www.loewenmesser.de) and Otter-Messer (www.otter-messer.de) do and I am quite happy with them. Real good carbon blades, wood handles (some of them bone) and at an affordable price.
My wife likes and uses her Case mini trapper with yellow handle (and the Opinel inox #7, and the Violon from Le Sabot, and the Victorinox Classic Green Edelweiss, and ...).
Thanks for your stories Jackknife, I will keep reading them.
 
The Chinese are correct, age should be venerated as a mark of respect. The knowledge, experience and wisdom that comes with age is what the next generation needs, pass this on and your knives and you pass on an invaluable asset.
 
I kind of understand what you're doing and it's good, but coming at it from another angle you could buy more knives and have more to leave.;)

I've probably got nearly a hundred knives and I'd like them to go to my grandkids and a few friends, but with the way things are going over here in the UK regarding the law on knives and crime I doubt they will get them anytime soon, unlike me, I got my mine at about 7 or 8 years old. They may not even want them for all I know. I've bought most with them in mind, but I've enjoyed them too, so what the heck. Somebody should get some pleasure from them after I'm gone, guess that's the main thing.

My father and grandfather never had pocket knives that I know of, though my grandfather was a scoutmaster. My father was a butcher at one time so I do have his butcher knife. I've a couple of knives I bought for them over the years.

Guess we each have to do the best we can to pass on our love of knives to later generations. That's probably the best gift we can give.
 
Both my grandads passed away and both my grandma's have alzheimer. Never had/took the opportunity to get to know them really well when i still had the chance. And now its too late. You make me regret this even more then i already did, jackknife...
 
Or am I being selfish? Should these old knives be "saved" for the future generations that may wish to collect them? But I think about the fact that they would not know these men like I have known them. They would be just old collector knives to them, with a past imagined in shadows. To me they are part of the family and friends I knew. I can't decribe the pleasure of slicing open a plastic blister package this morning with Uncle Mike's old stockman. The old razor edge carbon blade went through the package just as easy as I imagine it went through the wet canvas straps holding a liferaft on the deck of a certain burning PT boat. Two days ago dad's 1937 era peanut opened a UPS box as neatly as a box cutter.


Get a ream of paper and some printer ink. Print out all the great stuff you have written here about Mr. Van and bundle them with the knives. Make sure they dont get the knives until they can appreciate what they really are (say over 30 ;) ) and I bet you will guarantee their survival and appreciation.

Someone beat me to it, still it is worth reeating

Of course, a published BOOK would be a good historical record as well, not only for your family, but for all your friends around the country and around the world who would LOVE to relive those stories. Liem and his trip to the new world with his 5 inch sheepsfoot sailor's knife? Mr. Van and his scout knife lessons? Your dad opening the coin with the micro film with his Peanut? Whittling slingshots by the secret swimming hole? Traveling cross country on motorcycle with your trusty soddie? These could fill more then one book. I see a few volumes in there.
HINT HINT?!?!?!?
WINK WINK!?!?!?
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Print out all the great stuff you have written here about Mr. Van and bundle them with the knives.

I don't think it would "bundle" too well. I've copied all Jackknifes posts to Word, and it is over 100 pages long!:eek: With all the stories he has to tell, if he were going to put them all together, they would have to be in the form of a book.
I would love it if one of his family members published a book, I would buy it.
 
When my maternal grandfather was in his 80's (he lived to age 97), he typed a brief memoir and gave a copy to each of his kids in a protective binder. If such a document were accompanied with physical family artifacts (like the knives), that would really be something.
 
... am I being selfish? Should these old knives be "saved" for the future generations that may wish to collect them? But I think about the fact that they would not know these men like I have known them. They would be just old collector knives to them, with a past imagined in shadows. To me they are part of the family and friends I knew.

I'd suggest investing a few bucks in some soft leather pocket pouches for those knives just to protect them a bit from keys, coins, etc. Then, carry away and use as you see fit.
 
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