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An exchange from a recent thread, and I'm moving my response to here in the Cantina so I don't take that thread way off topic:
Qeth: ...How does it chop when compared to an AK of either 15 or 18"...?
Steve Tall: Couldn't say, I bought it to give to a friend and didn't really use it before sending it off to him.
moogoogaidan: Ho man, I wish i had friends like you!
My response is that this is part of my forays into the "gift economy". Greatly simplified, I had three and my friend had none, so I gave one to him.
From a related article I just found:
"Throughout over 90 percent of our species history, we humans lived by hunting and gathering in what anthropologists call gift economies. People had no money, and there was neither barter nor trade among members of any given group. Trade did exist, but it occurred only between members of different communities.
"Its not hard to see why sharing was the norm within each band of hunter-gatherers, and why trade was restricted to relations with strangers. Groups were small, usually comprising between 15 and 50 persons, and everyone knew and depended upon everyone else. Trust was essential to individual survival, and competition would have undermined trust. Trade is an inherently competitive activity: each trader tries to get the best deal possible, even at the expense of other traders. For hunter-gatherers, cooperationnot competitionwas the route to success, and so innate competitive drives (especially among males) were moderated through ritual and custom, while a thoroughly entangled condition of mutual indebtedness helped maintain a generally cooperative attitude on everyones part.
"Today we still enjoy vestiges of the gift economy, notably in the family. We dont keep close tabs on how much we are spending on our three-year-old child in an effort to make sure that accounts are settled at some later date; instead, we provide food, shelter, education and more as free gifts, out of love. Yes, parents enjoy psychological rewards, but (at least in the case of mentally healthy parents) there is no conscious process of bargaining, in which we tell the child, I will give you food and shelter if you repay me with goods and services of equivalent or greater value.
"For humans in simple societies, the community was essentially like a family. Freeloading was occasionally a problem, and when it became a drag on the rest of the community it was punished by subtle or not-so-subtle social signalsultimately, ostracism. But otherwise no one kept score of who owed whom what; to do so would have been considered very bad manners.
"We know this from the accounts of 20th-century anthropologists who visited surviving hunter-gatherer societies. Often they reported on the amazing generosity of people who seemed eager to share everything they owned despite having almost no material possessions and being officially listed by aid agencies as among the poorest people on the planet. Anthropologists routinely felt embarrassed by this generosity, and, in one instance after another, after being gifted some prized food or a painstakingly hand-made basket, immediately offered a manufactured knife or ornament in return. The anthropologists assumed that natives would be happy to receive the trinkets, but the recipients instead appeared insulted. What had happened? The natives initial gifts were a way of saying, You are part of the family; welcome! But the immediate offering of a gift in return smacked of tradesomething only done with strangers. The anthropologists were understood as having said, No, thanks. I do not wish to be considered part of your family; I want to remain a stranger to you. It was the ultimate faux pas!
"Here is all of economic history compressed into one sentence: As societies have grown more complex, larger, more far-flung and diverse, the tribe-based gift economy has shrunk in importance, while the trade economy has grown to dominate nearly every aspect of peoples lives, and has expanded in scope to encompass the entire planet..."
from "Economic History in 10 Minutes" by Richard Heinberg
http://richardheinberg.com/215-economic-history-in-10-minutes
Qeth: ...How does it chop when compared to an AK of either 15 or 18"...?
Steve Tall: Couldn't say, I bought it to give to a friend and didn't really use it before sending it off to him.
moogoogaidan: Ho man, I wish i had friends like you!
My response is that this is part of my forays into the "gift economy". Greatly simplified, I had three and my friend had none, so I gave one to him.
From a related article I just found:
"Throughout over 90 percent of our species history, we humans lived by hunting and gathering in what anthropologists call gift economies. People had no money, and there was neither barter nor trade among members of any given group. Trade did exist, but it occurred only between members of different communities.
"Its not hard to see why sharing was the norm within each band of hunter-gatherers, and why trade was restricted to relations with strangers. Groups were small, usually comprising between 15 and 50 persons, and everyone knew and depended upon everyone else. Trust was essential to individual survival, and competition would have undermined trust. Trade is an inherently competitive activity: each trader tries to get the best deal possible, even at the expense of other traders. For hunter-gatherers, cooperationnot competitionwas the route to success, and so innate competitive drives (especially among males) were moderated through ritual and custom, while a thoroughly entangled condition of mutual indebtedness helped maintain a generally cooperative attitude on everyones part.
"Today we still enjoy vestiges of the gift economy, notably in the family. We dont keep close tabs on how much we are spending on our three-year-old child in an effort to make sure that accounts are settled at some later date; instead, we provide food, shelter, education and more as free gifts, out of love. Yes, parents enjoy psychological rewards, but (at least in the case of mentally healthy parents) there is no conscious process of bargaining, in which we tell the child, I will give you food and shelter if you repay me with goods and services of equivalent or greater value.
"For humans in simple societies, the community was essentially like a family. Freeloading was occasionally a problem, and when it became a drag on the rest of the community it was punished by subtle or not-so-subtle social signalsultimately, ostracism. But otherwise no one kept score of who owed whom what; to do so would have been considered very bad manners.
"We know this from the accounts of 20th-century anthropologists who visited surviving hunter-gatherer societies. Often they reported on the amazing generosity of people who seemed eager to share everything they owned despite having almost no material possessions and being officially listed by aid agencies as among the poorest people on the planet. Anthropologists routinely felt embarrassed by this generosity, and, in one instance after another, after being gifted some prized food or a painstakingly hand-made basket, immediately offered a manufactured knife or ornament in return. The anthropologists assumed that natives would be happy to receive the trinkets, but the recipients instead appeared insulted. What had happened? The natives initial gifts were a way of saying, You are part of the family; welcome! But the immediate offering of a gift in return smacked of tradesomething only done with strangers. The anthropologists were understood as having said, No, thanks. I do not wish to be considered part of your family; I want to remain a stranger to you. It was the ultimate faux pas!
"Here is all of economic history compressed into one sentence: As societies have grown more complex, larger, more far-flung and diverse, the tribe-based gift economy has shrunk in importance, while the trade economy has grown to dominate nearly every aspect of peoples lives, and has expanded in scope to encompass the entire planet..."
from "Economic History in 10 Minutes" by Richard Heinberg
http://richardheinberg.com/215-economic-history-in-10-minutes