THe Hattori Fighter (Part 1)

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The Hattori Fighter under the "Hattori" brand is a quite well known and sought-after knife
among collectors. It was made in two sizes; the FT-200 was the larger with an OAL of 14.25" with a 7.63" blade and the smaller FT-100 with an OAL of 11" and a blade length of 6". Both with a polished solid silver nickel hilt. The handles were offered in Cocobolo, Black Ebony and, White Dupont Corian for the smaller model. Oddly, the larger FT-200 was described as being MVS-8 stainless steel while the smaller FT-100 was Aus8. The larger model appears to have been last produced in 2010 whereas the smaller one seems to have been in production until quite recently albeit in limited numbers. In either case, it is basically impossible to find either of them new in stores, unless Hattori decides to do another run. Typical of Hattori's products, the fit and finish is superb and the knife is a true collection piece. When I first encountered this fighter I had assumed that it was a variant of a Loveless Fighter. However it turns out that it actually has French origins. The design was initially created for a project in 1988 to produce a limited number of Commemorative for the 200th Anniversary of the French Revolution. The handle perhaps gives the strongest hint of this history.

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The most well known version in the U.S. however may be the Junglee "Hattori Fighter".
The original knives were made by Mr Ichiro Hattori and have "Seki Japan" on the ricasso.
Junglee Knives started in 1985, as the brand name for a group of tooling and machinery companies owned by Mr Shiraz Balolia, who had also acquired the old Gutman name. The unique combination wood/synthetic handle is said to have been designed and patented by S.Balolia himself, who actually holds a great many patents on various designs and machinery. It was available in two sizes, the larger called the "Hattori Fighter" with an OAL of 13.25" and a 7.75" blade, and the smaller "Baby Hattori Fighter" with an OAL of 11" and a 6" blade, both with a nickel hilt. These knives were introduced to the U.S. market in the mid-late l1990s and the Taiwan Non-Hattori versions lasted until at least 2008.

Apart from the unique handle, the Junglee Fighters differ from all other Fighter versions in that they had a serrated section on the spine. When manufactured by Hattori , MVS-8 Stainless was used. Back when Junglee Knives had it's own website they explained MVS-8 as "an alloy comprised of .85% Carbon, 14% Chromium, .5% Manganese, .5%. Silicon, 2.5% Molybdenum, .15% Vanadium with a hardness between 57-61RC". The Junglees originally made by Hattori were MVS-8, at least the larger model, and switched to "440 stainless" when production was later shifted to Taiwan around 2005/2006. No one seems to be sure which "440" it really was, many suggesting and perhaps hoping that it is 440C. But in those days "440" could mean alot of things.(Back then SOG used "440A" to mean Aus6A, and Browning used "440" to mean Aus8A). Amongst collectors, the original Hattori/Seki made Junglee Fighters are considered much more valuable than the Taiwan made ones, although even the latter ones have also become somewhat rare in recent years.

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The Katz "Alley Kat" models have long been manufactured by Hattori in Seki, however the handle is different. The sizes are different as well, if the site information is accurate. The smaller Alley Kat 6006 has an OAL of 10.75" with a 6.5" blade. And the larger Alley Kat 8008 has an OAL of 13" and an 8" blade. The blades are described as X70, and described as a "proprietary" Stainless Steel with a Rockwell Hardness of 54-55. However, the Kats Knives site does show this:

"About our Steels
XT70 - AUS6A - 56 Rockwell "C" Scale Hardness
XT80 - AUS8A - 58-59 Rockwell "C" Scale Hardness"
So, perhaps that's all there really is to it.

http://www.zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=xt-70

Kats Knives' product line consists of knives manufactured in Japan and Spain and generally are considered of high quality, fit and finish, marked chandler Arizona on the left side ricasso and the country of origin on the right side. The Katz models are the only versions still not "discontinued"
however it is possible that they are limited to existing inventory.

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Within Japan, Hattori also mades the larger Fighter for Kitasho of Seki, which also owns Kanetsune of Seki. There were two models, the Silver Stream and Silver Stream II, under the "Tsuge" brand label. Both appear to be identical or near identical to FT-200, with an OAL of 13.79" and a blade length of 7.63". Interestingly although both are discontinued models, they are still occasionally produced in limited numbers, at least the II model, and use MVS-8. The handle is purple Japanese boxwood. It is reported that early models of the Silver Steam actually had Hattori etched on the blade. Tsuge is a combat knife brand and named for a Mr Hisayoshi Tsuge, an author, former military journalist, mercenary and French Foregn Legionaire who apparently designs knives based on his military background, but he does not have any production facilities. The Silver Stream II, Model TS-31, was recently reintroduced as a limited serial numbered run of 150. I was lucky enough to pick up No.85.

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Another version found only in Japan is a model called "Stag Fighter" made by the Custom knifemaker Seizo Imai and sold under the IMAX label. The IMAX model used ivory and stag for the handle, and an Aus8A blade. Overall length is 333mm (13.11 inches) and a Blade Length of 175 mm (6.89 inches). It is thought that this model was last produced in 2012. Unlike other IMAX models, the Stag Fighter appears to have no markings on the blade or ricasso.

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The Hattori Fighter is a truly beautiful knife to look at, light and nimble as a true "Fighting Knife"
should be. It is perhaps the lack of a blackened blade and synthetic handle that we today
take for granted for any "fighting knife" that is the heart of it's charm. In any version it's a fine
addition to a collection.

Regards
KenHash
 
Ken......


I've been enjoying your posts on Hattori Knives and their OEM's
 
Thanks Boggs,
It's an interesting history which hasn't really been made public all these years. It started for me because
I was collecting the old Seki made SOG bowies and digging into their background. That lead to uncovering all sorts of interesting stuff from the past.
 
He makes beautiful knives. He also makes Fallkniven' s fixed blades as well as Al Mar' s and used to do sog' s better offerings. Great post sir.
 
Nice post and very informative. Reference the XT80 steel used by Katz, there was a knife writer, now gone, I think named Black who wrote how well the XT80 steel performed and got some flack from folks saying AUS-8 would not do that well. I ran across a posting were supposedly they analyzed XT80 steel and got: C .095-1.20, Cr 16.00-18.00, Mo 0.75, Mn 1.00, Si 1.00, P 0.04 and S 0.03, which is a very good match fro 440C? Obviously not sure what the creditability of the posting was, but my experience with the Katz XT80 left me wondering if it was really AUS-8. I wonder if anyone else has run across a chart on XT80 steel? John
 
Thanks for the time and work you put into this. Lots of info on these beautiful knives. Great pics. Thank you (I think) for giving me yet another knife to crave and search for. Just what I needed. :)
 
wow! Ken#
this is a really nice topic you have put together.
It really is good enough to warrant itself as a featured article
in tactical knives or the likes,
I might so add.
Impressed.
Hattori sure has been top in the game for the longest of time.
One really comes to expect nothing but fine work from them...
Strangely enough,
that immaculate hattori fighter just reminders me
of the ww2 Australian whittlingslowe knife
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http://www.australianmilitaryknives.com/util/utilaust.html
which I m sure mr hattori could bring to a whole new level.....
 
Beautiful knives! Remind me of Al Mar's fighters quite a bit. Thanks for giving some insight into the history of the brand. :thumbup:
 
Thank you very much GIRLYmann. As usual you've introduced me to another fighting knife
which I did not know existed. Looking at the general profile and handle shape of the WWII
Whittingslowe knife I would have to agree that at a certain distance it does look somewhat similar
to the Hattori Fighter.

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However, at that very same distance, the following two photos would look equally very smilar.

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LOL.:D
Cheers,
Ken
 
Great thread. I still have my Seki made Junglee Hattori fighter. Even had the Taiwanese version but that came with instant buyers remorse, due to the poor workmanship compared to the Japanese model.
 
You are very lucky to have that Seki one, a real collector's piece. I think I've only seen
the Taiwan version in the last several years.
 
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