The HELL with the ......burr....!!!!!

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I keep messin with my Greco Scagel and I get it as sharp as George Bush isn't....... BUT..... I constantly get a small burr on one side.

IF I remove it, I take the edge to lesser sharpness. I've tried W/D paper and Sharpmaker and still get the BEST edge (with burr) freehand.

I'm gonna quit workin at it. It cuts. LORDY does it cut.

If I'd never poked my nose in here, I'd still be happy with my sharp burr.

Grrrrrrrrrr.

:grumpy: :D
 
Run that blade through some cardboard or soft pine & it will take that burr off. It has worked for me. :)
 
I read somewhere to run it against a smooth steel rod, not too much pressure, to straighten the burr out rather than scrape it off. I've done this using a protection rod from my Sharpmaker and it works nicely.
 
That's funny...insult the presidents intelligence while proclaiming to the world you arent bright enough to sharpen a knife :footinmou ....sorry, I am pretty sure you walked into that one. :D
 
I feel your pain brother. I found the easiest ways to take care of a persistent and bothersome burr while sharpening is to either strop it (even if it's just cardboard) or **lazy alert** just raise the angle a bit and it wipes it out in a couple of strokes. Probably not the best advice but it works for me, especially on those occasional 'zombie' burrs that just won't die. Using a steel sometimes works but I'm not comfortable enough with the technique to really endorse it to others, even though my limited use of it has been fairly positive while doing touchups on kitchen knives and AUS8.
 
futant said:
I read somewhere to run it against a smooth steel rod, not too much pressure, to straighten the burr out rather than scrape it off. I've done this using a protection rod from my Sharpmaker and it works nicely.

Ithink that if all you do is straighten the burr with a steel, it will roll to one side or the other when you use the knife.

I had a similar problem with a KaBar Dozier thjat seemed to dull quickly. I realized that it was a rolling burr. A couple of swipes on a fine stone at a higher angle and it comes right off.
 
Lavan said:
It cuts. LORDY does it cut.
That is all that matters. The issue with burrs in general is that they tend to lower cutting performance as the edge isn't centered, and they will deform readily and lower edge retention. If you are not actually seeing either of these problems in use then it isn't an issue for you so there is no need to fix it.

Removing a burr and having the cutting ability get reduced is usually a sign of frustration. Having a heavy burr which is difficult to remove it usually a sign that too much work was done without deburring and it was let build up and build up. After each grit change you should use 1-2 light deburring strokes before proceeding up.

-Cliff
 
Well, I got to thinking and DID strop it. That works.

For some reason, I get burr on carbon but on stainless a simple light swipe across the fine stone takes care of it.

And the president is still an idiot.

:D
 
Captain Ron said:
And the president is still an idiot :rolleyes:

He is not on this forum trying to figure out how to sharpen a knife. :confused:

He wouldn't ASK in the first place. He'd put on a cutler's uniform and pretend he knew.

And secondly, he shouldn't be allowed to HAVE a knife.
:p
 
Minor stropping without a serious abrasive simply lines the burr up with your edge rather than removing it. As Cliff mentioned this may be OK. If the burr is not too long or ragged and the steel is pretty sound it may do the job you want done without removing it. For shaving and light cutting this may be your most effective edge. If you work on something harder or more abrasive the edge may break down faster if you don't remove the burr.

As I got from razor manuals, stropping is not the answer when you work with ductile steels at low honing angles. That burr will move around, but not come off. If you get it to come off by heavy stropping you will tear the burr off which will not leave you a clean edge. The answer is to cut the burr off by very careful edge-forwards honing at a very high honing angle. You want a hone with a clean sharp surface. An ultra-fine diamond hone is best, but freshly cleaned medium grit Sharpmaker rods will work.

Here's how I would handle this with the Sharpmaker. Scrub your rods with hot water and sink cleanser, rinse. Put the medium rods in the "40-degree" (20-degree honing angle) slots in the Sharpmaker base, rotated to hone on the flats. Lay a D-cell flashlight battery on its side and use it as a fulcrum to support the center of the Sharpmaker base--like a teeter-totter. Tip the base to the right and lightly stroke on the right hand rod (which is now at around a 40-degree angle from vertical). Tip the base to the left and lightly stroke on the left hand rod. Repeat this process for only the minimum number of strokes to remove all trace of the burr. Use very light pressure and alternate left/right sides.

The next part of the process is to put on a true edge that is as thin as you want. I suspect that your freehand honing is giving you a more accute edge than you are getting with your standard Sharpmaker angles. So step one is to forget about using the "40-degree" setting. In fact, don't even use the "30-degree" setting on the Sharpmaker as-is. Move the medium rods into the "30-degree" slots, but rotate them to hone on the edges of the rods. Replace the battery fulcrum with a white Sharpmaker rod fulcrum. This time you are going to tip the base to the RIGHT and hone on the LEFT hand rod (which is now at under 10-degrees from vertical). Likewise you will tilt the base to the left and hone on the right hand rod. Use light pressure so that you don't bend the edge of the knife as you stroke the narrow edges of the rods. Only do about 10 strokes (5 per side) alternating left/right as you go. Do this the minimum number of strokes until the edge feels extremely sharp and slices paper effortlessly. Rotate the rods to use the flats and do about another 10 strokes using light pressure. Switch to the flats of the white rods (switch to using a medium rod as your fulcrum) and do another set of 10 light strokes. To give the edge a little more strength (and to compensate for a tendency for the edge to bend away from the rod as you hone) you want to finish honing at a higher angle. You could remove the fulcrum and just use the basic "30-degree" (15-degree honing angle) of the Sharpmaker. But humor me and try using a lower angle. Take one of the Sharpmaker brass guard rods and use it as a fulcrum under the center of the Sharpmaker base. Again you want to tilt-right/hone-left and tilt-left/hone-right, but you want to use almost zero pressure against the rods as you hone ever-so-gently. You do this maybe only 6 strokes (3 per side alternating). If you had some Spyderco Ultra-fine grit rods this would be the time to use them.

If you want you can very lightly strop after you are done.

PS, What alloy is this knife made from? The older Grecos were made from A2 which shouldn't give you so much of a problem. I think the newer ones are made from a saw blade alloy which may give you a burr challenge (at least that's what I've seen with L6 alloy).
 
He wouldn't ASK in the first place. He'd put on a cutler's uniform and pretend he knew.

HA! That's good.
 
Lavan said:
He wouldn't ASK in the first place. He'd put on a cutler's uniform and pretend he knew.

And secondly, he shouldn't be allowed to HAVE a knife.
:p
Haha, I knew Lavan's comeback was gonna be priceless.
 
Captain Ron said:
And the president is still an idiot :rolleyes:

He is not on this forum trying to figure out how to sharpen a knife. :confused:


Being a knife collector himself, the President may very well be on this forum somewhere.
 
Jeff Clark....your above post is very informative. I feel the urge to get out the Sharpmaker as I type.
 
I sharpen my knives on a 400 grit belt until I get the burr. Then I take it to my polishing wheel and hold the blade at a very slight downward angle and push it into the wheel and pull the knife across on both sides. The burr is gone and the knife is hair shaving sharp. Sharpening and deburr all in under a minute.
 
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