The HI Suga - a khukuri/bowie hybrid

Howard Wallace

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I recently returned from a trip and found a package from Yangdu waiting. It contained this knife. If one of you can tell me the name, either myself or another moderator can fix the title of this thread.

I've written before, in my liberty series post, of the trade-offs between the Khukuri and Bowie styles. The forward angle of the khukuri gives it superior chopping ability, but sacrifices the ability to perform a back-cut. The bowie excels at the back-cut, but gives up some of the chopping the ability that the forward angle provides. The knife in the box addressed both these issues.

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This knife has both the forward angle of the khukuri, and the upswept tip and sharp false edge of the bowie. Due to the angle of the false edge, the back-cut will be somewhat different from one delivered by a traditional bowie. It will be less of a cut, more of a peck or a ripping claw. The line of the point is parallel to the handle, but somewhat lower. This provides a good thrusting ability, but the offset means the knife will experience a torque during a thrust. That torque could be eliminated by bringing the point up to the line defined by the handle.

In any of the knives where snapping cuts are used, grip security is important. The traditional khukuri provides it with a flare at the butt, and an angled central ring. Bowies address it in various manners, bird's head handles, guards, coffin handles or other handles with varied width, sub-hilts, etc. This knife uses a bird's head and finger groves to provide the requisite secure grip. There are four grooves in the wood, and another effective one where the wood meets the metallic but cap. This makes two hand positions possible, a forward one for more control, and a rearward one for more chopping and back-cutting authority.

I like the the long handle paired with the relatively short blade. It creates yet another HI "snubby" with significant power in a small package.
 
Howard:

Since you've been on a trip you probably missed the recent postings in which Yangdu sold several variations on this knife, which she calls a Padam Suga Knife. Here's one of the posts:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1189708-Padam-Suga-Blem-for-6-10

There seem to be a couple of variations of the same knife. One variation has a downward-pointing finger guard at the bolster. Another variation has no finger guard and a single groove for the forward finger instead of four grooves.

A nice knife and as you say, a nice stubby blade model.

I got two of the variations. The only problem is that the scabbards -- which look good -- are way too loose and the strap that's supposed to hold the handle in place has the snap in the wrong position so it is also much too loose. I'm thinking of removing the strap and gluing something into the scabbard to make it tighter. It's too loose to fix by shrinking.

That aside, I'm happy with these two knives.
 
The false edge on mine really isn't too false unless I misinterpret the terminology of a false edge. Mine is very sharp. Not quite as sharp right at the tip on the back but right up to that it's really sharp.

I've thought of toning it down some but I like it as is. I still have that one on my bench so I can hold it from time to time while I'm scratching my head or pondering my next pile of sawdust.
 
Very nice. I personally like that type of angle for thrusting-if you hit something that doesn't give it kicks the knife up in your grip rather than punching your hand up the blade. It also does very, very bad things when you pull it back out, since the force of withdrawal is applied to the edge rather than the spine. Neat little knife, and well thought out.
 
I really like this blade. I've done some of my dagger sets with them (I've got 2 of these blades, not exact but close) and they are extremely swift, good size, easy to handle, and we'll balanced. As JW stated, it is a well thought out design, and deadly, if used correctly. Oh, it's a Padam Suga knife (bird knife), Kumar made a Jurali Knife, which he called a "bird knife" as well.
 
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The false edge on mine really isn't too false unless I misinterpret the terminology of a false edge. Mine is very sharp. Not quite as sharp right at the tip on the back but right up to that it's really sharp.

I've thought of toning it down some but I like it as is. I still have that one on my bench so I can hold it from time to time while I'm scratching my head or pondering my next pile of sawdust.

My definition of a false edge is you can't cut yourself on it no matter how hard you try or how careless you are. These do not meet that definition.

Around here a double-edged blade is twice as likely to be found in violation of some ordinance or other. So I'm thinking of filing it down, but that will probably go on the list with the other twenty small projects that don't have a very high priority.
 
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