The INFI recipe, bound to be lost?

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I just placed an order for a Boss Jack so thought I'd read up on INFI a bit. I'm hoping this never happens, but it has such a ominous air about it... it reminds me of a few other things: Greek fire, damascus steel, Stradivarius violins... Gives you that kind of feeling of lost technology, doesn't it? Not saying the recipe should be made known, but I definitely hope they keep good track of it in some apocalypse-proof chamber underground somewhere. Also I'm just looking for an excuse to post something, anything, since I'm excited about my first Busse. :thumbup:
 
Welcome to the fun! Yes, Infi does have a kind of mysterious aire about it. You're going to love that knife, make sure you post pics of it when you get it. And be sure to beat the snot out of it too :)
 
the chemical makeup of INFI is known. I just don't know about the process of making it or heat treating it.
 
Welcome to "The Madness"
It is contagious.
You have been warned.......
BTW, nice choice! You will really like the Boss Jack.
 
Yup, we can analyze the chemical composition of Infi, and recreate it perfectly.

That dose not mean we know how to heat treat it properly, which is where the magic happens (the heat treat process is why all the steels that Busse, and family knives use perform so great).

Even if the heat treatment protocol were lost to the ages, I think with modern technology, we could take the basic composition, and eventually, after a lot of trying and testing come up with something close. Hopefully.
 
Bigfattyt said:
Yup, we can analyze the chemical composition of Infi, and recreate it perfectly.

That dose not mean we know how to heat treat it properly, which is where the magic happens (the heat treat process is why all the steels that Busse, and family knives use perform so great).

Even if the heat treatment protocol were lost to the ages, I think with modern technology, we could take the basic composition, and eventually, after a lot of trying and testing come up with something close. Hopefully.
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I agree. Metallurgy is a fickle practice. I think it would simply take trial and error with the heat treat to find a successful method that would create an end result that is similar to INFI. It might take time, but it's not impossible. This is quoted from someone else (I don't remember who) but I read this somewhere...

"INFI has been confirmed as being:
V 0.36% Vanadium
Cr 8.25% Chromium
Fe 87.79% Iron
Co 0.95% Cobalt
Ni 0.74% Nickel
Mo 1.3% Molybdenum
C 0.5% Carbon
N 0.11% Nitrogen
Which adds up to be 100%

I'm no expert but have read that it's the nitrogen that gives INFI its uncanny corrosion resistance."
-Unknown
 
through a "reverse engineering" process of sorts, the HT process on INFI could be deduced in the future apocalypse, when it is finally understood that the most highly effective method by which to decapitate zombie communist Nazi robot vampire ninja pirates is a sword of pure INFI.
Unfortunately we have all these morons running around with machetes trying to show that the machete is a half-decent zombie killing tool...no wonder why zombie movies always end in the slaughter of the humans by zombie hordes.
They have a chance in The Walking Dead. they have a big, beautiful slab of INFI goodness in the form of a Team Gemini on one guys belt. That's why they're taking so long with the next season: they are trying to animate an appropriately epic scene in which INFI is replicated, not that anything is truly as incredible as the INFI-making process.
 
It's pretty cool stuff and science - seems Busse has a decent grip on the secret heat treat (;)), but hell arent they still experimenting and perfecting a la INFI 2.0?
 
There really isn't any "secret" to INFI. It's just solid heat treat and quality control. With enough experience anyone else could reproduce it, it's really just a matter of persistence.

(BTW, Damascus steel was re-discovered by one Russian dude in the 1800's, but he forgot to pass the formula on to anyone else. It was then re-re-discovered in the 1980's (you use thermal cycling with some impurities to get the pattern). Damascus steel was great hundreds of years ago, but it's capabilities are pretty much equivalent to modern 1095.)
 
thats my understanding as well josh

the impressive strength of damscus has to be see in relation to the materials and tools available at the time of its origin.
 
Joshua J. said:
(BTW, Damascus steel was re-discovered by one Russian dude in the 1800's, but he forgot to pass the formula on to anyone else. It was then re-re-discovered in the 1980's (you use thermal cycling with some impurities to get the pattern). Damascus steel was great hundreds of years ago, but it's capabilities are pretty much equivalent to modern 1095.)
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Hm... guess you can't learn everything from wikipedia :P
I'm sure it's not impossible to get the chemical makeup of a material, but keep in mind a recipe involves more than just the ingredients. There's the prep, cooking, and technique, too. That's where you come to a ton of variables you could experiment with.
 
redbeardrob said:
I agree. Metallurgy is a fickle practice. I think it would simply take trial and error with the heat treat to find a successful method that would create an end result that is similar to INFI. It might take time, but it's not impossible. This is quoted from someone else (I don't remember who) but I read this somewhere...

"INFI has been confirmed as being:
V 0.36% Vanadium
Cr 8.25% Chromium
Fe 87.79% Iron
Co 0.95% Cobalt
Ni 0.74% Nickel
Mo 1.3% Molybdenum
C 0.5% Carbon
N 0.11% Nitrogen
Which adds up to be 100%

I'm no expert but have read that it's the nitrogen that gives INFI its uncanny corrosion resistance."
-Unknown
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I think you are quoting me. Which doesn't matter. Here's the original thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/185490-INFI-Chemical-Content?highlight=infi+formula
 
Welcome to the Madness!

I will be the first to say, in a HOG-LY fashion, that I sure as heck hope its lost and soon! Well prior to the apocalypse:eek:

My cc is beyond melted... its vaporized!:D


Plus, I have enough "INFI" to form my own Legion, and still have some left over to mark way up for those lacking this precious metal in their portfolio!:thumbup:

:D

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I could tell you all the ingredients in a delicious professionally baked cake, but could you make the same thing if i just said heres the list cook it?

kinda like INFI and its composition.

I am sure there is documents behind lock and key that detail the heat treating process...
 
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