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The Knife Industry is Tacticool BS
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I don't understand why you have nearly 300 posts on this forum if you think that...
However I'll straight up disagree with that quote, in the sense that I buy my knives (Chris Reeve) to be exact... because I "love" their design... plain and simple...
Everything about the 21 in particular just speaks to me... It's the 1 knife I'd keep over all others, even the striders and hinderers Ive owned in the past don't compare...
However, at the end of the day while talking about a knife that costs $350-$600, you could also be having the same conversation about anything else... just as a watch... or a pair of sneakers... or even your car.... "do you need a $1,000 watch?"... when a $5 watch would also keep time?.... "do you really need the new "jordans", that cost $350?" ..... do you really need that new sports car that costs $75,000 when a used $10,000 car would get you to where you need to go...?"
At the end of the day, it's all about "wants"... no 1 truly "NEEDS" a $600 knife... no 1 truly "NEEDS" a watch that costs $1,000 ... and no 1 "NEEDS" shoes that costs $350 or a sports car that costs $75 grand.... but this is MERICA and if we want it.... who is any1 to tell us not to get it...?
Remember YOLO... you really do only live once... why not enjoy your time here while you have it? rather than waste your time on this earth worrying about how much an object costs... you might save your money your whole life and one day (god forbid) you may not be here to enjoy it before you have decided you have enough saved up...
---- > just my thoughts on the subject....
... lastly.... lifes too short to carry a cheap knife!!!!
However I'll straight up disagree with that quote, in the sense that I buy my knives (Chris Reeve) to be exact... because I "love" their design... plain and simple...
Everything about the 21 in particular just speaks to me... It's the 1 knife I'd keep over all others, even the striders and hinderers Ive owned in the past don't compare...
However, at the end of the day while talking about a knife that costs $350-$600, you could also be having the same conversation about anything else... just as a watch... or a pair of sneakers... or even your car.... "do you need a $1,000 watch?"... when a $5 watch would also keep time?.... "do you really need the new "jordans", that cost $350?" ..... do you really need that new sports car that costs $75,000 when a used $10,000 car would get you to where you need to go...?"
At the end of the day, it's all about "wants"... no 1 truly "NEEDS" a $600 knife... no 1 truly "NEEDS" a watch that costs $1,000 ... and no 1 "NEEDS" shoes that costs $350 or a sports car that costs $75 grand.... but this is MERICA and if we want it.... who is any1 to tell us not to get it...?
Remember YOLO... you really do only live once... why not enjoy your time here while you have it? rather than waste your time on this earth worrying about how much an object costs... you might save your money your whole life and one day (god forbid) you may not be here to enjoy it before you have decided you have enough saved up...
---- > just my thoughts on the subject....
... lastly.... lifes too short to carry a cheap knife!!!!
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That thread got closed.
Interesting article, he speaks a lot of truth, give him props for acknowledging the Kabar works perfectly fine for survival and that the Esse 5 was his least favorite knife they make, which also happens to be my least favorite knife they make as well as it's an overweight pig.
Interesting article, he speaks a lot of truth, give him props for acknowledging the Kabar works perfectly fine for survival and that the Esse 5 was his least favorite knife they make, which also happens to be my least favorite knife they make as well as it's an overweight pig.
I use a knife everyday. I don't use all my knives everyday, but I enjoy having them. Come to think of it, I don't use all my automobiles everyday. I don't use all my guns everyday. Hell, I don't use all the rooms in my house everyday. I'm beginning to think everything is BS.
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Care to elaborate?
That was a quote from the article he linked. Pretty interesting read.
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Best post I've seen in sometime.
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I don't know why people think they are starting a discussion by posting a link but none of their own opinions about it.
We got a few good opinions later, or we would have closed this thread, too.
We got a few good opinions later, or we would have closed this thread, too.
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The knife industry is only what people make of it. If everyone suddenly denounced the whole tactical genre, the industry would adapt.
I think a lot of people forget that this forum represents a minority of the knife purchasing community. The general consensus here that tactical knives are bullshit doesnt represent most people's views on the matter. The vast majority of people buying knives today would rather have a tactical and cool looking knife than a functional one, simply because they wont use it enough to know the difference, and because they are being fed bullshit by movies, video games, and TV as to what makes a great knife. The industry isnt inherently full of tactical BS, its just representative of the current understanding of what a knife should be. Companies do what makes them money. For example, Spyderco is still relatively small. You know why? Because they make knives that are excellent cutting tools, but dont look "good" enough for most people who have a media influenced idea of knives. Cold steel, on the other hand, is much larger. Can you guess why? Yup, theyve realized what the masses see as a good knife, and they cater to that to make more money.
The industry will only change if more people start wanting knives that actually work, not tacticool prybars. When that occurs, companies will be more than happy to change their product lines accordingly
I think a lot of people forget that this forum represents a minority of the knife purchasing community. The general consensus here that tactical knives are bullshit doesnt represent most people's views on the matter. The vast majority of people buying knives today would rather have a tactical and cool looking knife than a functional one, simply because they wont use it enough to know the difference, and because they are being fed bullshit by movies, video games, and TV as to what makes a great knife. The industry isnt inherently full of tactical BS, its just representative of the current understanding of what a knife should be. Companies do what makes them money. For example, Spyderco is still relatively small. You know why? Because they make knives that are excellent cutting tools, but dont look "good" enough for most people who have a media influenced idea of knives. Cold steel, on the other hand, is much larger. Can you guess why? Yup, theyve realized what the masses see as a good knife, and they cater to that to make more money.
The industry will only change if more people start wanting knives that actually work, not tacticool prybars. When that occurs, companies will be more than happy to change their product lines accordingly
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I'm with Sgt244 here.
Most major knife companies offer a variety already. Same goes for custom makers.
Most people don't really use their knives? You don't say.
Same goes for guns, sports cars, various luxury items.
All you need is a simple design? I think simple is a box cutter blade.
I guess sometimes folks need something to complain about.
Most major knife companies offer a variety already. Same goes for custom makers.
Most people don't really use their knives? You don't say.
Same goes for guns, sports cars, various luxury items.
All you need is a simple design? I think simple is a box cutter blade.
I guess sometimes folks need something to complain about.
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The knife industry is big enough to support the tacticool, traditional, utility, art and every other kind of knife you could want. I have never had a problem finding a knife I want or need because all the knife makers are exclusively building tactical knives. I see no need to change the knife industry - but that is just me.
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Interesting interview, I enjoyed reading it and I think what he says has to be taken within a certain context. He's discussing survival knives, focusing on usefulness alone and not talking to a knife collector. Some of his answers on things like steel types would be quite discouraging coming from the head of a different company, imagine somebody from ZT saying "We're not interested in trying any new steels, ever".
What I can't understand is why some people think that buying something you don't desperately need is somehow wrong. As long as it's not an obsession that ruins your life, buy whatever you enjoy and practicality be damned. I like nice fountain pens and good leather bound notebooks with high quality paper, a regular note pad and some Bic biros would be much more cost effective but I wouldn't enjoy using them at all.
I also grew up at a ranch, training horses and used fixed blades only, folders where considered little toys (traditional knives in my country are large fixed blades). When I was younger I thought all those modern one hand opening knives with weird blade shapes and synthetic handles were crap that armchair commandos thought they needed. Turns out not everybody has the same needs, nowadays I find myself carrying a modern folder clipped to my pocket more often than a fixed blade.
Most knife companies offer practical designs as well as others that are more of a niche product, either because they are aimed at a very particular group of people or feature something that might make them collectible (fancy materials, new locks, etc.). I used to limit my knife buying to stuff I had a genuine need for, but after a while I begun adding knives to my collection just because they were just fun. A 4" drop point fixed blade will do almost everything I need, but having a few hundred identical knives would be rather boring.
What I can't understand is why some people think that buying something you don't desperately need is somehow wrong. As long as it's not an obsession that ruins your life, buy whatever you enjoy and practicality be damned. I like nice fountain pens and good leather bound notebooks with high quality paper, a regular note pad and some Bic biros would be much more cost effective but I wouldn't enjoy using them at all.
I also grew up at a ranch, training horses and used fixed blades only, folders where considered little toys (traditional knives in my country are large fixed blades). When I was younger I thought all those modern one hand opening knives with weird blade shapes and synthetic handles were crap that armchair commandos thought they needed. Turns out not everybody has the same needs, nowadays I find myself carrying a modern folder clipped to my pocket more often than a fixed blade.
Most knife companies offer practical designs as well as others that are more of a niche product, either because they are aimed at a very particular group of people or feature something that might make them collectible (fancy materials, new locks, etc.). I used to limit my knife buying to stuff I had a genuine need for, but after a while I begun adding knives to my collection just because they were just fun. A 4" drop point fixed blade will do almost everything I need, but having a few hundred identical knives would be rather boring.