The Millennium Espada...when a knife just won't do

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Greetings All!

The first time that I saw one of Jerry Hossom's- http://www.hossom.com - bowies, I was struck by how much they resembled miniature Filipino swords like the Pinuti and the Zanzibar. I asked Jerry if he had ever thought of going beyond bowie length blades and making swords. It turned out that Matt Draper- our very own Waxy
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- and Don Rearic had already been pushing him to do the very same thing.

So, after some research by all of us into traditional Filipino swords, proper weight, flexibility, balance point, belly to point ratio, and so forth- and with some excellent drawings by Matt- Jerry was inspired to create this:

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The Millennium Espada.

Is she something or what?! The grind lines, the edge, the polishing, the fit and finish of the handle- all reflect Jerry's artistry and attention to every last detail. Everyone who has seen the Espada has been awestruck by its beauty- as well as its obvious deadliness.

The Stats:

Stock- 1/4" A-2, heat treated and cryogenically stress relieved by Paul Bos to a uniform Rc of 57-58.

OAL- 30".

Blade Length- 25", with a 5" forte(thicker, unsharpened section) just forward of the guard for blocking/breaking the opponent's blade, and then 20" of scary sharp edge forward of the forte.

Weight- 1 Lb. 11 oz.

Point of Balance- exactly 5" ahead of the guard.

Centers of Percussion(sweetspots)- two: one at the handle, and one at the midpoint of the sharpened section of the blade.

Handle- 416 Stainless Steel bolsters, with the lower guard completely protecting the fingers, and scales of black canvas micarta.

Performance:

I decided to test the new Hossom Millennium Espada(E from now on) by comparing it head to head with my Darn Dao(Chinese Broadsword, D from now on) which is the best performing- both in terms of maneuverability and cutting ability- live sword that I own. I know my D like my own hand, so I figured that comparing the E to it would really put the E to the test.

Feel and maneuverability:

The E feels approximately 30%-40% faster in the hand than the D- which is 36" long and weighs 2 Lb. 4oz to the E's 30" and 1 Lb 11oz. BTW, the D is of 1/8" 5160 stock.

Both swords balance 5" in front of the guard- which is ideal for one-handed swords of this length- and so they each move beautifully, with just the right amount of weight towards the tip to facilitate slashing. The E is simply a lot faster. This is especially noticeable in combination attacks- changing direction is much faster with the E. Plus, the E moves extremely well in traditional Espada y Daga flow drills and Karrenza.

Grip:

The D has an excellent traditional cord-wrapped grip that is secure in all maneuvers and cutting tests. The E's grip- which is in Jerry's signiture ergonomic style- is likewise absolutely secure and comfortable in my hand through all maneuvers and every cutting test. It never slipped or rotated even once in my hand, and remained comfortable after hours of testing. It is truly a fantastic sword handle, Jerry.

Impact Resistance:

Impact resistence is extremely important for a sword, where you simply must be able to parry the opponent's weapon with the flat of your blade without snapping yours. So I tested this aspect of the E with a vengeance
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First, I slapped the flat and spine of the E against the edge of my oak desk very hard multiple times and it flexed and snapped back perfectly with no deformation of the blade. The blade flexes to 40 deg. and returns to true evrey time. This is maybe a hair less than the D- which also withstands these tests- but is certainly adequate for a combat sword.

Next, I performed parries with the flat, edge, and spine of the E, as well as slashes and thrusts, against the training dummy. Again, no problem with impact whatsoever and no uncomfortable reverberations into my sword arm- that sweetspot at the handle really did its job
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. In addition, the E thrusts deeply into the dummy with no damage to the tip. It's thrusting ability against dense targets is far superior to the D's. Likewise, the E's slashing ability against the training dummys tough "skin" is much better.

Next I roped my next door neighbor Jim into helping me. He is a big strong weight-lifter/grappler type.

First, I gave him a long hickory pole, so he could remain at a safe distance from the E
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, and had him throw slashes and thrusts at me- whatever he wanted- full speed, full power. I simply slid parried, flat parried, slap parried, and blocked with the edge, the forte, the flat, or the spine. The E performed beautifully. There was no undue shock up my sword arm, no twisting of the E in my hand, no stress to the E whatsoever. Afterwards, there was no damage to the edge or anywhere else.

Very encouraged, I then secured a steel training sword to a shorter pole and had Jim attack me again- full speed, full power. This time I used proper parries with the flat of the blade as much as I could, using the forte to block when necessary. Once again, absolutely no problem. The forte area works beautifully for blocking hard slashes. And the E moves very well in realtime when someone is trying to take your head off, let me tell you
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. Once again, I felt no undue shocks up my sword arm.

Afterwards, there was no damage to any part of the E- tip, edge or spine- and it was perfectly straight after all of this. In fact, other than two faint scratches on one side of the blade, the E looks entirely unused!- Sing will attest to this as he had a chance to see the Espada the following weekend. The D passed this test too, but it became permanently bent and had to be straightened, its edge rolled in several places and had to be resharpened, and it sustained several significant scratches.

Jerry, this A-2 is one fantastic sword steel! It is every bit as good as we had hoped
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Cutting Tests:

Please note that some of these tests may seem odd or unnecessary to some of you players out there, but they are what custom sword makers use to test their combat worthy cut-and-thrust swords, so I decided to perform all the traditional cutting tests on the E that I could. So please bear with me.

First, I clamped a sheet of 1/2" exterior grade plywood to my workbench and executed various slashes and thrusts into it. Here the difference in the blade profiles of the E Vs. the D really stood out. The E. cut cleanly into the plywood from any angle, but only to a depth of 2". Obviously its thicker spine stopped it- as you predicted Jerry. The D typically cut to a depth of 3" - 4".

Thrusting, on the other hand, was a whole different animal. The E actually thrust through the plywood! The tip came all the way through to the other side a good distance. That's amazing! The D couldn't do that to save its life. And absolutely no damage to the E's tip.

And accuracy? Unbelievable! Moving at full speed I can hit within a 1/4" of tiny black spots I dotted on the plywood with a Sharpie. The D is good, believe me- but not this good. The E is as accurate as the much shorter bowie. Remember, this is a 30" long sword we are talking about here!

Next I clamped a 3" dia. length of dry bamboo- very hard, not rotten- to the workbench and slashed at it with diagonal and horizontal cuts. The E cleanly cut through the bamboo at any angle with no tearing of the fibers. The cuts were perfect. The Dao won't cut all the way through this dia. of bamboo without tearing.

Encouraged, I next clamped a 1 1/4" dia. length of solid manau rattan to the workbench and again slashed at it. The E consistently cut 3/4ths of the way through the rattan at any angle with no tearing. The D- despite its thinner edge- cut no better- in fact, its cuts consistently turned up or down into the rattan to follow the line of least resistance. The E cut perfectly straight, on the other hand. The E also cut maple saplings up to 2 1/2" in dia. perfectly.

When I received the Espada, it was easily the sharpest sword, out of the box as it were, that I had ever touched. I was worried, therefore, that such a sharp edge would not be able to withstand cutting hard targets without sustaining serious damage. But, after all this cutting through very dense targets, there were no new scratches, rolled edges, or chips to the E, and it was still shaving sharp.

Next, softer targets- First I cut a thick, two-sided 1/4" cardboard poster/painting packing crate. The E consistently cut 8" to 9" into the crate from any angle, just as good as the thinner bladed D. On a single-layered 1/4" cardboard sheet, I can consistently cut the entire 20" length of the E's sharp edge at any angle, perfectly straight cuts. It slices beautifully, and its blade geometry is terrific.

Next I cleanly cut through a thick cardboard carpet tube. The E transected it at any angle with no tearing. The D can do the same.

Next I filled several large plastic milk and orange juice bottles with water and cut them perfectly through with the E at various angles. The D does this too, but the E definitely cuts them more sweetly. Its cuts were surgical.

Next I cut an empty soda can cleanly with the E- and the base stayed on the table! It was a beautiful thing to see
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. The D won't cut all the way through a can consistently.

Next, I threw single sheets of paper into the air and cut them as they fell. The E cuts the sheets completely and perfectly straight, time after time. It is a joy to move with. It is fast, without a doubt. The D is not so good at cutting paper cleanly, much less when it is floating.

Finally, the Piece du Resistance- the Meat Cutting Test
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I bought both a leg of lamb and a big shank of beef for this test, figuring that if Jerry's fighters could cut a leg of lamb, that I would test the Espada out against the toughest flesh and bone I could get( my butcher just glows when he sees me come through the door now, BTW
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First I hung the leg of lamb and took a #1 angle- forehand diagonal- slash through the thickest part of the shank with the E- cut it through like it wasn't even there! No resistence whatsoever. The D was also able to cut through the leg of lamb successfully, although I did feel the cut more.

Encouraged, I moved right on to the shank of beef. The shank measured 14" long by 12" wide by 9" thick, with a 2" diameter bone running through its length. This thing was heavy- weighing a good 15 Lbs!

Again I took a #1 angle slash through the thickest part of the shank with the E. Cut it clean through! Through 14" by 9" of fascia and muscle, as well as 3" of beef bone on the diagonal! And the cut was just perfect, you guys. The cut piece landed directly below the hanging remainder. That's beyond good. And I have the pictures to prove it(which I will send to you, Jerry, once the film is developed).

OK, so I figured what the hell, and cut a #4- horizontal backhand- and #1 combination- very fast. Splat! The piece fell to the floor right below what little remained hanging. The #4 angle slash had cut all the way through the shank, bone and all, leaving the cut piece hanging from a thread of gristle. The follow up #1 angle slash above it had completely amputated the shank again, dropping it to the floor
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. That's some serious, serious cutting, my friends, through some very tough flesh and bone.

I rehung a big piece of the shank and cut it with the Dao. It was able to cut through the flesh and part way through the bone consistently, once cutting all the way through the bone, but not out the other side. A good performance, without a doubt, but not even in the same league as the Millennium Espada.

Finally, the E thrust all the way through the shank at will as far up the blade as I wanted with absolutely no resistence.

After all of this, the blade remains perfect- no new scratches, rolled edge, chips, nothing. It is still shaving sharp.

Overall Impression:

The Millennium Espada is without a doubt a combat worthy sword in the finest tradition. It does absolutely everything that we wanted it to be able to do well- and more. It is the sharpest sword by far of any I've ever used. Jerry, you really have taken your edges to another plane. And despite its sharpness, the tip and the edge remain very strong- so there is no trade-off here whatsoever. The sword looks unused after the bashing I gave it. There is no question in my mind that one could go into battle with this Espada- it will not break under any reasonable circumstance. I feel completely comfortable staking my reputation- for whatever little that may be worth- that this sword is fully combat worthy.

The Espada loves to cut soft targets and does so beautifully. It is less happy with wide, hard targets- but that is to be expected given its hollow grind. And, besides, it is not an axe, it is a sword.

It thrusts beyond belief!

It is fast in the hand and extremely accurate for a blade its size.

Its handle is magnificent. I never felt insecure, even when cutting the hardest of targets, or defending against the steel trainer.

The only thing that I would like to see different is that I believe that the Espada could stand to be a few ounces lighter and maybe a hair more flexible- to make it even faster in the hand and to increase its safety margin even further. Now, I know that Jerry purposefully overengineered this prototype, leaving it a little thicker and using the 1/4" stock- because he knew that I was going to test it for all it was worth
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- but I am certain after testing this one that he could safely make future Espadas a little lighter with 3/16" stock without risking the sword in any way. But, regardless, the A-2, and the sword as a whole, performed wonderfully.

Jerry, once again you have amazed me. Is there nothing you can't do with a length of good steel? To tell you the truth, I honestly never expected your first Espada to be this good. I expected that we would have to tweak the design several times to achieve everything we wanted. Instead, you are 99+% of the way to creating the perfect Combat Espada- by every single important measure- on your first go-around! I honestly don't know how you did it. Do you just see the ideal blade in your mind and then proceed to make it? I am genuinely in awe of your talent. There is nothing else to say.

Mario
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Gaucho

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Gaucho,

I know I'm probably going to regret asking
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.... but, now that we (or me anyway) are all drooling
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.... what kind of price tag is that puppy going to have?
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Thanks.

Dave.
 
I decided to reopen this thread.

This is in no way meant to disrepect the wishes of Donna. I explained myself in the other orphaned thread.

Here is what I said.
OK Guess who is here to save the day and stop the bull ****
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First, I apologize for not emailing the parties in question ahead of this post but I feel that I would rather kill 3 or more birds with one stone.

Here is what IS and what is NOT acceptable in this forum.

If you have a review of any knife I would appreciate it if you would post it in the review section, regardless of what you are reviewing.

Reason? Simple, you could get more interest in FMA and that sword by Jerry looks really damn SWEET!

If you have a review, that is very limited in scope, and we have a forum in which the review would be greatly appreciated, then by all means post the review in BOTH places.

I read the review in question and I, like many others, can not see it as being commercial. I did not read every post mentioned but I think that this can be a "From this day forward" rule.

If the posts become commercial, then I will back Donna should she decide to close them.

What is commercial?
Any post that is made by any party that clearly indicates the "How much and Where to buy" of any product. The problem here is that we are talking about a custom maker. So even if the "How much" is not mentioned, the "Where to buy" is very clear.

Most custom makers need all the help they can get. A good or glowing review can sometimes be misunderstood. Look at my reviews of Busse as an example. No matter what I said, people still thought that I was giving him glowing reviews because I had a financial interest in them. The fact was that Busse's knives stomped everyone else's collective ass.

Maybe Gaucho is in a similar predicament. Maybe someone else needs to send him some knives to review. He certainly has good grammar skills (Much better than mine
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When does this rule not apply?
When a member asks either or both questions after the initial review, or when there is an obvious deal out there that would be of interest to our readers here.

Example: A "Leatherman Waves for $27!" post made by a member that is not in any way connected to the party selling the product. We have had several of these recently in the General Forum.

With the above in mind I am going to reopen the thread in question, and I will ask that Gaucho duplicate the thread in the review section and give those guys over there a chance to see the sword in question. In fact post all of your previous reviews over there Gaucho.

Here is a link to Gaucho's feelings about this thread. Sometimes when you throw a boomarang, it will come back and hit you on the head. http://www.gaucho.com/top.html

Let's move on.

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Gaucho,

Again a wonderful review. Next time I have to write one, I'll be sure to ask you for pointers first.

A few people have opined that it seems that you are the only one who writes reviews for Jerry's knives. Me, I'm proud to say that I've been an advocate for him as long as I've been a member of this forum. (Since way back when I still went by the handle "Zog".) So to dispel that here's a couple of threads of other reviews (written by me and Don).

Hossom Hideout http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001407.html

Hossom pics http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/001952.html

Christmas came early http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/001969.html

The original review of a matched pair of Millennium Fighters http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000656.html

The thread where Don and I introduced Gaucho to Jerry: http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum31/HTML/000067.html

Here's a review Don Rearic wrote about a hook Jerry made: http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum34/HTML/000110.html

I never linked those reviews here, because I'm not FMA. (I practice a different tradition.) Now I wish I had linked here sooner!

Thanks again Gaucho, I'm glad Don and I introduced you to Jerry's work.

Matt

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Greetings Waxy!

Thanks for the kind words, but it is I who sincerely must thank you guys for introducing me to Jerry and his excellent work. I'm sure that we'll have plenty of other fun stuff to talk about in the future.

BTW, I should receive that A-2 Clip-point Warhawk of Trace Rinaldi's next Tuesday
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. After I've had a chance to put it through its paces, I'm going to send it to you to make a sheath for my SB-3 and my Associate rigs- your sheathes are beyond good
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. And, I would dearly love it if you tested it too and let us know what you think of it as well.

Mar

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Mike,

Thank you so much for looking into this as well and reopening my thread. And also for setting ground rules "from this day forward".

The review is already posted in the Knife Review Forum- I posted in both forums right at the beginning.

As far as that Gaucho.com site, was that a joke? That site has absolutely nothing to do with me. I don't even have the right software to view it. In fact, I would have to download some program for over 12 minutes just to browse it correctly.

Anyhow, I hope that we are done with this now once and for all. All I wanted to do was update everyone on the progress of Jerry's new A-2 Espada prototype, which- when perfected- I believe will be a boon to F/IMA Espada y Daga afficionados like myself.

I asked for imput on several different knife and sword forums, and put the Espada through every serious test that I could find and it not only survived, but passed with flying colors. Which actually surprised me a little, as I've said before, since this was his first effort at making such a sword. But, I believe, based on my results- and my twenty years experience in one type of sword work or another- that the Espada could be even better. It could safely be lighter and faster.

Jerry is therefore going to grind another one in 3/16th" A-2 stock and we will see if I'm right. He is also looking into the feasability of using other steels- like CPM-3V- with even higher impact resitance and edge wear values than A-2, to see if an even lighter, faster, yet fully combat worthy Espada is possible.

I will let you all know what I find- good and bad.

As far as testing for other makers is concerned, I again make that offer. Jerry and I do not have an exclusive agreement. In fact we have no agreement of any kind other than that we both share the same goal of furthering the blade fighting arts by creating the best weapons possible.

Jerry Hossom has the balls to put his reputation on the line by allowing myself and others to independantly test and then publicly review his knives for all the world to see. He has never seen one of my reviews before it is posted- feedback yes, Jason and I, just like Don and Matt and the other MA's that he works with, give him that all the way along- and he has never asked me to change anything that I've written. He has readily accepted criticism and new ideas and put his money where his mouth is over and over again, ordering new steels and making very expense prototypes for us to test differences in handle shapes, blade shapes, guards, and so on- all to create better fighting blades. Yes, one may argue that a fighting knife is a very individual thing, but all of us players know a real good knife when we play with one, and everyone that has had an opportunity to play with Jerry's blades- from World Class to Tyro- has been blown away by what's coming out of his shop. He should be commended for his efforts, for his commitment to us, the end users.

If other makers out there want to make the same commitment, we are out here ready to help- even privately at first if that is what you want. If any of you makers want to know my credentials for doing this type of testing, I will be happy to provide details privately. But I will say here that I have been training continuously- empty hands and weapons- since age 6, formally(outside the family) since age 10, in several different arts. That's thirty four years this July. I believe that anyone who has trained with me, empty hands, sticks, blades, or whatever, will attest to the fact that I'm a serious player. Anyone who is unsure- or simply wants to learn what we know- I've offered before, and I'll offer again now, you have an open invitation to contact me and come train with us at EEMD and see for yourself.

End of Story.

Let's get back to discussing the good stuff
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Mario



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Gaucho

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