The Mods On Top Of The Cracker Barrel

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The Day after Christmas, and we're wrapping up one year and beginning another, I thought this a good time to air a few things out with you kind people. Naturally, the phrase 'kind people' is not meant to exclude any number of Saints or Rats we may also have in attendance in HI Forum.

I think the biggest issue facing us as a forum are behavior controls; whether to censure or ban posts or people.

The second biggest issue is Moderator participation in controversial subjects; the three that come to mind are politics, religion, and martial arts. Surprisingly, invitations to violence most often occur during these Martial Arts threads, and are about technique and which guru can break more boards while maintaining the correct physical and mental posture accurately as initially discovered in year 127 BC.

Any thread in which a moderator is posting, has the potential to be 'unfair' to some one or some position, because a moderator's opinion can become intwined in some forumite's minds with authority. We aired this out not too long ago and the concensus then was to keep the forum as is, as Uncle Bill set it up. Mod behavior then becomes a judgment call, and it is the responsibility of the Mod to be careful, and more importantly, for Cantinistas to continue to critique themselves And the moderators.

If there are problems, isn't part of the solution to communicate this to the Mod, either privately or publically? People who take shots, but are not addressing the problem with their fellow Forumite, are not fufilling their responsibility as forum members. If they can't do this they don't belong here. They belong on the general net, where anything goes and no one is responsible for their actions. Fortunately, we don't have much of this behavior, because the human beings in the Cantina talk to one another.

When I first got here there was a poster named 'Rust' who was a pacifist. (near as I can tell) Bill's philosophy was to let Rust's behavior be judge and jury. People didn't like Rust's posts and told him so. Some of the reactions to his posts, to his behavior, were negative. That was his Karma. Bill Martino did not have to ban Rust. This is how healthy places succeed. Rust removed himself finally, unwilling to continue.

A moderator should be the first place to go with a problem AFTER it wasn't resolved by talking to each other. Howard, Yvsa and Yangdu each have their own philosophies about moderating, but I think we agree upon this.

This is not a democracy. The mods have authority to act, as they should, otherwise it would be chaos. But this is our forum, a community is not controlled or owned or ran by anyone, not Yvsa, myself, Howard, Yangdu or even Spark.

If there are any objections to my writing short stories please so say. I would like to begin this new year with a clear plan. Besides smoothing fights out, or trying to be as funny as Bruise, the stories are what I have to offer. (No talk of publication, please, I almost believed it myself) The stories came from this place- people wanted to hear them. There is no ivory tower or even "Modship". Rusty liked them because they were like Charlie Brown, he said, for everyone. If my friends like the stories and are happy; I'm happy. It's very simple, like Graver Tom engraving, and if it ever happens the stories are not wanted, then I will know it is time for me to move on.

Write dumb stories, moderate the forum, and be happy. Let me know if I do something wrong, or forever hold thy Peace.



munk
 
Mod behavior then becomes a judgment call, and it is the responsibility of the Mod to be careful, and more importantly, for Cantinistas to continue to critique themselves And the moderators.

I agree and think this works quite well.

If there are problems, isn't part of the solution to communicate this to the Mod, either privately or publically? People who take shots, but are not addressing the problem with their fellow Forumite, are not fufilling their responsibility as forum members. If they can't do this they don't belong here. They belong on the general net, where anything goes and no one is responsible for their actions. Fortunately, we don't have much of this behavior, because the human beings in the Cantina talk to one another

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politics, religion, and martial arts

Oh Lord, Munk, you're tackling some ancient thorns.
Those three subjects have been the source of so many arguments over the last 10,000 years, they practically determined the path of history.
How many brawls?
I think those arguments appear in more than One Shakespeare play.

Noone's been killed in a heated argument here yet.Actually, I dont remember that last big bad argument.

As one TV gangster said " there aint no right way to do things, you just steer the ship as best you can and find your pleasures where you can."
 
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Munk,

Well said.

I think less is more when moderating myself. I'm a moderator somewhere else and I have only ever edited a few posts.

When people argue over stuff that I'm not interested in I usually don't read the posts anyway:jerkit: :D

I think the big trouble comes when people personally insult other folks, call them names and stuff, then they become enemies. The big question is if the other person hates you how are you gonna convince them of anything. Assuming you are trying to convince them and not just a person who enjoy's arguing. When people insult each other I just delete the insults and tell them why. I've seen discussions that weren't allowed to play out keep popping up and causing trouble. Not fights, but discusions.

As far as mods in sensitive discussions I like it. You, Yvsa and Howard all have slightly difft perspective on stuff from each other and it really adds.:thumbup:
 
There's a lot to be said for restraint on the part of the posters themselves. By that I mean respecting the general tone, and other participants in the discussions. I post about half of what I write here. 'nuff said.
 
Munk, the stories mean a lot to me. This place is a great place for me to just chill sometimes.

Just got back from the great state of NJ. Chilling out before bed...

Thanks to you all. I know I can be a burr under some saddles at times.


"Control, control! You must learn control!"

I think I've gotten better.:o

I don't like arguing so much anymore, but vigorous debate can be invigorating, like crossing Epee's with a skilled opponent.

However, truth is important. The discussion is not just a game. after all.

This thread is about the Moderators.

4 thumbs up for me!

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Tom
 
Our all reigning mods,
they know when to meddle.

When the odd formamite does press the wrong pedal.

We had better take heed & promptly withdraw,
or we will find posted,

greenhead, ascratcin his jaw! ;) :D
 
I've been around the Cantina in its previous incarnation long enough to be pretty sure of the character of our Mods. I trust all completely with being able to be objective even when personally interested in the content of the post. Y'all are welcome to take a shot at me anytime you think I deserve it, and I promise not to run away and pout. Yours is a tough job, and I wouldn't want it......too much like the teaching job I'm already working :D
 
munk said:
...the three that come to mind are politics, religion, and martial arts.

I have faith that my Republican baboon fist style can beat your beat your style anytime. :rolleyes: :) ;) :D
 
That really depends upon how ancient your style is, and how authentically interpreted. Frankly, a lot of you martial artists take assailents out of commision with very little historical accuracy, and I'm appalled. You might as well just...shoot them.



munk
 
It never ends, does it? By God, Life Is Cheap Out Here On The Brazos and a man wants to die with dignity and class; give 'em an HK and Federal Hydra Shocks.




munk
 
I'm not worried. We will always have our occassional rough waters, and we always manage to get through them. This has been the way for years.
I remember some of the MA threads, you are going back a ways, Munk. Unless I've missed something more recent.

Unfortunately, and I mean really unfortunately, martial arts are notorious for biases, misperceptions and occasional meaningless hostility toward other arts. It could be that many of our arts developed fighting each other. Or just the lesser aspects of human nature, who knows. Cultural biases play a large part also. Over the past 30 years or so of training, I am amazed at the number of schools or styles that will just make the assumption that they hold the truth in the martial arts. There is no one truth that someone has the ultimate mystery key to. Ultimate truth is not defined by people. i believe we make ourselves much more important than we really are in comparison to the rest of the universe. These are my meager opinions. In another 100 years, these words will probably not exist. I do hope the various traditions exist in some kind of pure form then, I hope that I can contribute to that.
 
Lions Roar,
Throughout my life I've friends who studied martial arts, and seem to bump into that personal element of society. The martial artists I know are the kindest people. I don't know why, but I don't run into the other. Even the guy who did a thumb lock on me 30 years ago when I was the drunk at a party was a nice guy. ( that was a strange time- I DID not start the fight...but he couldn't tell the good guys from the bad when he broke it up, and I was winning.)

Anyway, the martial artists I know are the kind of people you want around because they are just fine human beings. In a way, I've always thought of that training as 'how to become a human being'. So it was kind of shocking when some of the threads here got real excited.
Who was the guy who turned out to be a decent guy who got everyone pissed off at him? ( as I recall, I told him off...)


munk
 
Who was it?
I think it was all of us, at one time or another.

Im changing my avatar in hopes of helping to prevent such things.
(its not much, but its a step forwards, right?)
 
munk said:
Who was the guy who turned out to be a decent guy who got everyone pissed off at him? ( as I recall, I told him off...)

If it was the same guy I'm thinking about...

My take was he wrote an apology more along the lines of, "I'm sorry I got caught." But that's only my take on the incident.
 
We've had a couple of those, haven't we? I thought this guy, who was a martial artist, was initially arrogant but finally realized what was amiss in the tone of his posts and apologized, saying he would not return. He did eventually post again once or twice.


munk
 
Munk, point well taken. It's close to 1am tonight, or else I would write more.
We do have a lot of nice folks in the martial arts.

DIJ - nice avatar.
 
I try to keep myself in the mindset that it's not the particular art, but the artist determines the usefullness of an art. Because, ultimatly, he or she is the one who decides how, when and where to use it. Im my own humble opinion, I think whatever art you study, you should use it at all times, not fighting of course, but to keep your self as one of those all around great people the munk touched on earlier.

I'm still fairly new around here, so I don't post so much and when I do it's usually fairly short and to the point. Still feeling things out and whatnot. But if I ever do something that just sucks somehow, I would be glad when munk, Yvsa or any other mod came down on me with that big backhand. Just like mom used to make :D

And my most humble apologies to Yvsa for my mispellings!
 
Munk, I think you guys do a great job of policing others and yourselves, withdrawing from a conversation if it gets too heated. You are mature enough to recognize when you may be getting too involved in the debate, and know to step back if needed.

I haven't seen anything that needs changing, and think things are well on track. I know for example that you got rid of that old junky smith .41 mag in favor of my light 9 mm. with mag-safes after our last "discussion", so what's to argue about anyway? ;) :D
 
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