The New Emerson Litigator!!!!!

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DaoBoxer

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I have heard a rumor which I have not been able to personally confirm, but it was from a friend whom I trust. Mr. Emerson, for whom I have a good deal of respect as a succesfull businesman and a knife designer, has begun suing or at the very least legally harrasing people over the use of the acronym CQC.

I was not only shocked but a bit dissapointed to hear this. The idea of taking credit for originating the term CQC is ridiculas. It has existed in the spec ops community for quite a long time along with CQB, SCUBA, HALO, SERE, BUDS, et all. I respect Mr. Emersons right to protect his market share (and lets face it, the knife market these days is a gimmick/image driven monster) but I think this is a bit much. What's next?? Patenting the Tanto blade configuation? The chisel-grind?

If any of my information is wrong I apologize in advance, but these are the facts as I see (and hear) them. I thought the community had the right to know....

Bill
 
I thought the Litigator was a new knife when I first read the title.
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Jason
 
An Attorney w/ an EDGE...
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Fenris,

You're not the only one! I was expecting to see some cool pics of a wicked new blade. I'll have to remember that one for the next "Name This Knife" contest.
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By the way, is it just me, or do you also hear the sound of teeth grinding on sour grapes?


DaoBoxer,

If a company is granted a patent or copyright on a name for a specific product, it really doesn't matter where he got the name from. It is the identifying name of that product. If someone uses a name first to identify a product, then it is wrong for someone else to use that name on a similar product of their own without his permission. If he registered the name first, then it is also illegal. If there is a dispute, then the courts are available if necessary. Wait until you have some documented evidence that someone is doing something wrong, illegal, or unethical. It is not really a good idea to make this type of unsubstantiated allegation or insinuation on a media that is also a public record. The truth will come out in the end. Just be cool.
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Sour grapes? I have nothing personally at stake here. I do however take exception with the methodology behind it. Advertising a "CQC edged weapons program" for example or a CQC shooting program" in no way infringes on the production or sales of the Emerson knife. The concept of close quaters work was not invented by any one person and I dislike the idea of someone saying, years later, that it is somehow their exclusive property. It is on some level just wrong, as if taking credit or reaping reward from work that is not yours. if it were the EMERSON CQC name that was at issue, that would be different. That is a specific product. As I stated in myy post....there is nothing new under the sun in regards to bladework. A few modifications or tweeking here and there, but edged weapons are much the same now as they were 2000 years ago. All I am saying is I think it is time we all lightened up a little......
 
Are you saying that Emerson is disputing the use of the initials "CQC" on something other than a knife or something that could be interpreted as using his product by the use of "CQC" in the title or ads?

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[This message has been edited by Columbo (edited 04-09-2000).]
 

Yes sir, that is the situation as I understand it. I would think any legal wrangling would be better spent on those who have very closely COPIED Mr. Emersons designs. For example, the Buck Strider which I have just seen advertised in a banner on this very site. Or Allen Elishwitz, many of whos knives ave an uncanny resemblence to some of the Emerson knives. Or....the thousands and thousands of Taiwan knock-offs that get sold at flea markets and gun shows.

just my opinion.....Bill
 
SPECWAR is also a registered trademark of Emerson. "Emerson CQC" makes sense but I don't think he should be able to trademark CQC.

Jason
 
DaoBoxer,

I don't see how there could be any legal or ethical grounds to support the restriction of even a licensed product name to other than the originally intended product type. Interesting.


Fenris,

It is done for the same reason that you would not want 10 other people on these forums referring to themselves as Fenris or Fenris II. What those others did and said would be applied, subconciously or otherwise, to the original. In the end, it is the US Patent Office that decides whether a name is public domain common useage or can be claimed as property for the specific intended use. Could we run out of available names before we run out of things to name? I sure hope not, but you never know.
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Dave
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I am pretty sure I know the situation that is being mentioned here. Rest assured, there is more to it than meets the eye (as is usually the case). I will not comment on it further until I have spoken with Ernie. The Emersons are in Hawaii on a much needed family vacation.

Take care,
Derek

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Derek,

I thought it was strange that nobody from Emerson jumped in to reply. I hope that they have a good time in HI. Everyone needs to get away from the rat race occasionally.
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Talk about litigation, take a look at these two knives.

I saved the photos to my "Photopoint" album off a reseller's site.

Look familiar?

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[This message has been edited by John Hollister (edited 04-16-2000).]
 
Nice pics...lol

read one of my earlier posts in this thread. I looked through my back issues of tactical knives and I found probably 4 more just like those. There is nothing new under the sun. People who want the EMERSON name are willing to pay for it and these other knivers aren't taking a dime out of his pocket.
 
After the NY Custom knife show this past year people were talking about Farid and the folder in the picture (T-1000?). We were talking about how it was too big and not that really great of a knife. A forum member purchased one and said it was built like a tank, a great knife, not a bad deal for $200. He had a CQC6 and of course like the 6 better but said it was a solid knife. Then he tried the lock a couple of days later which kept failing. He never mentioned it again. Emerson isn't losing money off of knockoffs whether they be Farids or Taiwanese imitations. The people buying these wouldn't be buying Emersons anyway. The people that want them go to great ends to get the real thing.

Jason
 
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Dear Mr. Emerson,
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I thought this was just as good a topic heading as any to express my extreme disappointment at your lack of delivery (waiting over 4 months now) for a measly quantity of 20 plain edge Commanders. Please feel free to my product to Moteng when your busy schedule permits.

Thank you very much,


Barnaby Zelman
Delta Z Knives, Inc.

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