the new press , one of two I'm working on.

Dan Gray · Jul 8, 2005

this is one of two I'm working on
the other one will have a rolling mill in it...

OK here's a rough of the first
I have a lot to do yet, but it's a peek at it anyway..

the piston is inverted for stabilization along with the removable butt plate that will be welded to the channel guides
I did use Mike K's idea of vert tube colms to put the weld pressure where I want them..
where channel iron on the inside is tapered it will give me room to add adjustable guides.
the tube frame will also serve as the tank for the hyd oil if it will hold enough
at the least it will let me use a smaller tank and will aid in cooling..
you'll see the way it's set up
the inside frame is what moves with the dies at the top and high, another idea
I think from Ron (bowie) or was it plain ole Bill? sorry
the top die is the only one that moves..

I do have to make some changes,
I tried to use E-machine for this and it's not working well . My fire wall is stopping updates
from them??
what to you think so far..??
this will be portable with a 8 HP Honda engine bumped up to 10 HP..
tubing, channel iron, and a small amount of steel plate is the bulk of it..
the lower part will be tinned in..

edited to add if someone has one like this I don't know about it and would like to see it, I don't want anyone think I'm copying anyones press. Thanks
for looking

Dan Gray · Jul 8, 2005

looks like my server is down right now.. no picture

ysforge · Jul 8, 2005

but does it have a cup holder?

Seriously, I like the design, and a have a drawing that's very similar in my notebook of possible shop improvements. I got the idea after seeing Grant Sarvers "kick ass 75" power hammer 5 or 6 years ago.

I think I'd prefer to have the fluid housed seperately, as a leak would be a #$%^ to fix then, as apposed to being able to simply replace a tank.

Tony

Dan Gray · Jul 8, 2005

ysforge said:
but does it have a cup holder?

Seriously, I like the design, and a have a drawing that's very similar in my notebook of possible shop improvements. I got the idea after seeing Grant Sarvers "kick ass 75" power hammer 5 or 6 years ago.

I think I'd prefer to have the fluid housed seperately, as a leak would be a #$%^ to fix then, as apposed to being able to simply replace a tank.

Tony

thanks Tony
I want to try the tank deal because of the extra cooling mainly and then portablity.
I can always dump it afterwards. it may even help dampen the sounds of the hollow steel some..
now the inportant stuff.
I was thinking that if I took one of the top tube caps and set a hollow
sleave in it and welded it to seal it in place , it would keep coffie hot...or warm at least

Sweany · Jul 8, 2005

heat disapating coffe cup holder! Awright!

How about a long SS tube on the other side with a spigot to dispense fresh coffe? >>>>---------->

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Dan Gray · Jul 9, 2005

Sweany said:
heat disapating coffe cup holder! Awright!

How about a long SS tube on the other side with a spigot to dispense fresh coffe? >>>>----------><-------------<<<<

that can be done with the same principal as a automatic transmission oil cooler in a radiator
in a car
the heat generated by the radiator water has two purposes one to cool the transmission fluid and
it also heats the transmission fluid in cold weather, in turn warms up the transmission even while ideling.

of course the press will have to be used hard to keep the hyd oil hot enough
to keep the coffee hot in this case

I'll put a sign up

press steel for coffee

Dan Gray · Jul 10, 2005

no more comments?? thanks for looking ..3.
Mike K you asked me to post what I had in line art..
I'd enjoy your comments..good or bad...

howiesatwork · Jul 10, 2005

If you're capping off the upright tubes, how about loading them up with sand?
It would dampen vibration and make the structure more massive.

ysforge · Jul 10, 2005

Maybe you could figure out a way to use coffee as hydraulic fluid?

and attach a coffe mill so it'll always be fresh ground

fitzo · Jul 10, 2005

Dan, are you familiar with Uncle Al's windowframe press? Just for a look-see at another one? If not, check out their site (Riverside Machine?) Sorry, don't have the link on this machine. If you need it I can post.

Dan Gray · Jul 11, 2005

howiesatwork said:
If you're capping off the upright tubes, how about loading them up with sand?
It would dampen vibration and make the structure more massive.

Howie
they will be capped because the inner frame will be the oil tank this in turn will dampen most of the vibration..I hope..
it's going to be portable so if I can keep the weight with-in itself it would be a 2 fold plus thanks
coffee mill

that will be in the 2nd press design with mill.

Mike I haven't seen that as of yet , I'll take a look at it for sure...

thanks guys more input?

Dan Gray · Jul 11, 2005

fitzo said:
Dan, are you familiar with Uncle Al's windowframe press? Just for a look-see at another one? If not, check out their site (Riverside Machine?) Sorry, don't have the link on this machine. If you need it I can post.

good name for it ,,,window frame
I found it.. looks similar but way bigger than need be IMHO
very interesting though. looks like the same basic idea. as knives
everything under the sun has probably has been tried...thanks Mike..

Plain ol Bill · Jul 11, 2005

Vibration?? Where is the talk about vibration coming from? I have been around quite a few presse's, made a couple, and helped make more, work my own quite frequently and I haven't seen one vibrate yet. These operate off hydraulic energy - there aren't any spinning wheels, jackshafts, flywheels or other parts to impart vibration into a press. Basically the frame just needs enough strength to stand up to the tonnage required w/o flexing.
Just curious guys, or am I missing something?
www.billsblades.com

Dan Gray · Jul 11, 2005

Thanks Bill
this one will have an 8 HP gas Honda engine built to it,, wanting it portable.
though I'm leaning to quick connects, the engine could vibrate some but that one won't much mounted right...
the big thing is, I still want the frame tubing as the tank..
I'm not sure if just the act of this working would make noise or not
but it's not a big concern of mine.
it will add a little weight to the upper die pressure ,, a little,,
little things will help some..

I think too if the frame tank does spring a leak, it would be a tell tale sign of a problem where as
other wise I would not know until to late.. what to you think??

Plain ol Bill · Jul 11, 2005

OK Dan I understand a little better now. If the motor is mounted seperate from the frame and the lines hooked up w/ quik/connects that should be a cool setup and no vibration either. Using the frame for the tank will work fine and you will not have any extra noise from doing that either. Plus it is a good way to find out if you have any porosity in your welding too (grin). One question for you -- how did you size the motor and what RPM are you going to have to turn?
The frame of my air hammer is set up to act as an auxilary air receiver if I ever need one or I could fill it w/ water if I need more mass. But the way it is built I don't think more mass will ever be needed. Take a look at the hammer on the shop tour Dan.
www.billsblades.com

Dan Gray · Jul 11, 2005

Plain ol Bill said:
OK Dan I understand a little better now. If the motor is mounted seperate from the frame and the lines hooked up w/ quik/connects that should be a cool setup and no vibration either. Using the frame for the tank will work fine and you will not have any extra noise from doing that either. Plus it is a good way to find out if you have any porosity in your welding too (grin). One question for you -- how did you size the motor and what RPM are you going to have to turn?
The frame of my air hammer is set up to act as an auxilary air receiver if I ever need one or I could fill it w/ water if I need more mass. But the way it is built I don't think more mass will ever be needed. Take a look at the hammer on the shop tour Dan.
www.billsblades.com

I have the engine and a piston now. I'll have to look into the rpm's
I can't recall at what RPM on this Honda it's maxaum power curve is
so that will tell if I can use the lov-joy's or will have to gear it.

hey how does that little Logan work for you.. ?
I have one too, and some extra parts, full bed and head..

I like that hammer of yours..it looks heavy now..

I have two pistons that was at one time a two post car lift we had in the garage before converting it..
air over Hyd. the rods/piston in them are like 8" X 6' I wonder???

this are differant than reg pistons, these rods are hollow for the hyd oil to work in.. Thank Bill

Plain ol Bill · Jul 11, 2005

Dan I toted the ol Logan home years ago and it still sits where I plunked it down. Wish I knew more about a lathe, I'm ignorant as a new born rock about them. I'm gonna play with it "one of these days real soon now".
Yep, that hammer is heavy - the base plate is 5" plate, the anvil is solid 9" shaft and the hammer weighs in @ 135#. It will deliver a good SMACK. I just finished converting the surface grinder to use 2 x 72 belts and it is a shamless clone of Nick Wheelers belt setup.
www.billsblades.com

ysforge · Jul 12, 2005

Here's one for you, right down to the fluid in the frame

press

Tony

Dan Gray · Jul 12, 2005

Plain ol Bill said:
Dan I toted the ol Logan home years ago and it still sits where I plunked it down. Wish I knew more about a lathe, I'm ignorant as a new born rock about them. I'm gonna play with it "one of these days real soon now".
Yep, that hammer is heavy - the base plate is 5" plate, the anvil is solid 9" shaft and the hammer weighs in @ 135#. It will deliver a good SMACK. I just finished converting the surface grinder to use 2 x 72 belts and it is a shamless clone of Nick Wheelers belt setup.
www.billsblades.com

the first time I had use of a Logan was in the machine shop I worked in back in 1978 I think it was.. I made a stop mic for it, the boss was amazed that I could do that

I was a tool and dia maker after all

I still have it today,,

that was about the best job I ever had.

that is a jewel of a hammer Bill .
does the air just lift the head ? or slam it down too?

Tony that press looks like the one Mike F linked me to the other day
at Riverside Machine
http://www.riversidemachine.net/productCat0.ivnu
but just turned around.

With the oil tank as the inner frame mine will be a lot more compact outer frame at about 18" out side..

Sweany · Jul 12, 2005

Hey Dan. Iwas thinking press and motor all in one also.

The guys here and others convinced me to do a seperate motor mount thingie.

I'm going with the gas motor cause it would be cheaper than running an electric service to the shop.

Originally I was looking for a old lawnmower to mount the pump and tank on.
self mobile would be good. A friend gave me an 8hp motor If I can get it running I'll mount it on a trailer to pull behind the lawnmower.

Seems like a gas motor right on the press would be a bit noisy and ,well there is gas too.