The New York Ivory Ban, what the US ivory ban could look like

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This is the latest news letter from Elephant Protection Association.


Government Bullies Mom & Pop Businesses Over Ivory
Your activism is why the federal government is taking its time publishing the regulation we expect will alter or revoke the Special Rule on African Elephants that allows pre-ban ivory to trade in the United States. Unfortunately, non-government organizations like the Humane Society of the United States and the Wildlife Conservation Society have been busy with a PR campaign against ivory. They are continuing to lobby both the federal government and many individual states for an ivory ban.
We are already seeing the results, and they are worse than expected. Agents from the New York Department of Environmental Conservation hit at least 2 vendors at the Pier Antique Show on November 22-23 in New York City.
The government has long maintained that they don’t care about small time ivory owners. Instead, they want to catch and prosecute international criminal syndicates and terrorists to stop elephant poaching. So who were the kingpins that were busted in New York City?
Their first criminal mastermind was a lady of 72 years selling jewelry to supplement her Social Security income. Based in the Carolinas and in New York only for this show, the jewelry maker was stung by an undercover NYDEC agent who asked her questions about a necklace and earing set that she marked as containing beads from mammoth ivory. After freely identifying the ivory from long extinct animals, the NYDEC agent flashed his badge and others swooped in to search her entire collection. In total they seized two necklace/earing sets, a bracelet, a pin, and a set of earrings. She explained that she didn’t know about the New York law, and that she bought the mammoth beads used to make jewelry at least 8 years ago. She made the other jewelry with scrap ivory that she had for much longer than the mammoth beads. The agents didn’t care. The government seized $1400 worth of jewelry and issued a summons to appear i n court for violating the NY State Ivory Ban.
The second villain was a folk art dealer from New York. He also described NYDEC treating him like a drug dealer. His contraband – a couple of sets of “teethers” – crudely carved whale bone or ivory sticks made by sailors in the 1800s for babies to chew on when cutting their teeth. As with the senior citizen jeweler, agents seized what they believed to be ivory and issued the folk art dealer a summons to appear in court. He estimated the seized teethers to be worth about $250.00.
After the show, the folk art dealer and his wife contacted all of their elected officials to find out what they did wrong. His state representative warned him that he needs a lawyer because he faces a $5000 fine if convicted of dealing illegal ivory. When he asked about getting a license to sell ivory in accordance with New York law, he was advised that he could submit an application, but all of the applications to sell elephant ivory just sit in a pile on someone’s desk in Albany without further action.
This kind of government heavy-handedness is what we warned people about when the President’s Advisory Council started talking about imposing an ivory ban in March 2013. Instead of going after Chinese smugglers and criminal syndicates, the government is persecuting the most vulnerable and least culpable citizens in zealous pursuit of ivory ban enforcement statistics. No living animal was helped by this, but innocent small businesses will be crushed.
Fight back now, before it’s too late.
Rob Mitchell

It's safe to say that you probably want to stay away from New York or New Jersey with knives that have what might look like ivory handles. I would say it's a good reason for everyone to stay away from New York and New Jersey knife shows.
 
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It's safe to say that you probably want to stay away from New York or New Jersey with knives that have what might look like ivory handles.

YES!!!! :thumbup: :)

I would say it's a good reason for everyone to stay away from New York and New Jersey knife shows.

NO!!!! :thumbdn: :grumpy:

Be vigilant and don't bring ivory-like knives to these SUCCESSFUL shows. Don't abandon a great resource.

Coop
 
I think the California ban is similar but I haven't heard any horror stories yet.

As I understand it from legal counsel, California law relating to the sale of elephant items hasn't changed since 1976, when California Penal Code Section 653o was amended to include a prohibition against the sale of elephant parts.

In the 80's, there were federal court rulings effectively putting enforcement of that part of the code governing the regulation of sale of elephant parts in a muddy limbo, holding that federal law pre-empted state law under certain, but not all, circumstances.

At one point thereafter, as I understand it, California effectively ceded enforcement to the feds, and since 2010 there has, I've heard, been spotty enforcement by both state and federal entities.

The governing code, as indicated, is California Penal Code Section 653o, making "to possess with intent to sell" a punishable crime. FYI>
 
YES!!!! :thumbup: :)



NO!!!! :thumbdn: :grumpy:

Be vigilant and don't bring ivory-like knives to these SUCCESSFUL shows. Don't abandon a great resource.

Coop

I hope that if those successful shows were a little less successful because of ill thought regulations, maybe pressure will be applied and changes can be made. We deserve everything we allow them to do to us. The same kinds of regulations can be (and are being) applied to particular knife designs, actions and lengths due to the same kind of short-sightedness. Your' (Not you personally Coop, everybody's ) favorite knife might be next.
 
A mammoth is any species of the extinct genus Mammuthus, proboscideans commonly equipped with long, curved tusks and, in northern species, a covering of long hair. They lived from the Pliocene epoch (from around 5 million years ago) into the Holocene at about 4,500 years ago[1][2] in Africa, Europe, Asia, and North America. They were members of the family Elephantidae which contains, along with mammoths, the two genera of modern elephants and their ancestors.

I wonder what part of the word "extinct" do these "authorities" not comprehend?

No parts of elephants are involved. Unfortunately creating laws that become back dated hurts many folks that have purchased a product with something that becomes illegal long after the initial purchase which make resale somewhat problematic.
 
Unfortunately creating laws that become back dated hurts many folks that have purchased a product with something that becomes illegal long after the initial purchase which make resale somewhat problematic.

Only if we let them, we are not totally helpless here. Laws can be changed, or fought, but it take a bunch of like thinking people.
 
I've been thinking about the issue of a state banning ivory and the impact to knife shows in the state.

The success of a show is not relevant to this issue. If the show promoter decides to promote a show in a state where ivory has been banned, the promoter has responsibility of informing table holders an ivory ban is in effect. The promoter may also may consider banning knives with ivory from the show. Or the promoter may decide to change the venue of the show to a state with more reasonable laws.

Regardless of the show promoters choice(s), they have a responsibility to protect and inform their clients and collectors who attend the show.

Chuck
 
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