The New York State Cutlery Industry

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Sidehill Gouger

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I haven't heard anyone bring up the subject what of what is going to happen to the New York State cutlery industry if the Manhattan DA takes his shake down to the next level. KA-BAR, Ontario, Alcas, Utica, Timberline, there aren't as many names as there were a couple of decades ago but it is still a pretty major industry for NYS in this day and age.

I'm sure the DA thinks they should all just switch to Case style 2 blade "peanuts" and other little pen knives but that is a sure way to go under if you are marketing on a national level.
 
Who cares. Everyone makes such a big deal about New York. NY could drop off the face of the earth and it wouldn't bother me one bit. If companies won't stand up for themselves, well it's hard to feel sorry for them.
 
I have no idea where this thread is going, but so far -- not good. Let's pick up the technical details and leave out the ranting.

You don't like NY, go someplace else. Don't bring your vague, meaningless prejudice to a serious discussion.
 
I did not realise there were still NY companies. This has to inspire them to take action.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I have no idea where this thread is going, but so far -- not good. Let's pick up the technical details and leave out the ranting.

You don't like NY, go someplace else. Don't bring your vague, meaningless prejudice to a serious discussion.
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Vance seems to be using the "gravity knife" statute, or at least the way NYC courts are interpreting this state law (case law) to prohibit the sales of such knives in his jurisdiction. MA law allows the AG to determine if products are "unsafe" for civilian use (civilian only; not LE or military) and ban their sale in this state. Many quality handguns cannot be sold to anyone but LEOs because they do not meet the AG's arbitrary and unreasonable standards. It has been this way for over a decade now and the AG's rulings have survived many court challenges. Glock, Springfield Armory, Les Baer and many other manufacturers simply abandoned the MA market, which is a damned shame. Would our current AG, Martha Coakley, use this law to ban the sale and possession of the same types of locking folders that Vance has? She is definitely the anti-gun, anti-self-defense type so I wouldn't put it past her. Other forum members have expressed fears that bans on locking folders would spread from NY to CT and MA. Coakley could easily use the "unsafe product" argument to accomplish in MA what Vance did in NYC by using a criminal weapons statute. If this happens, knife retailers in NH will have a field day and mail order sales to MA will come to a halt. Time will tell. I am not sure if the NY AG has a similar power to ban the sale of "unsafe products" to civilians. Perhaps someone could comment further on this matter.
 
Unless the companies you mention operate the area where Vance is know to practice extortion, I'm not sure he's an issue for them. Am I missing something?
 
1. All of these companies reside in NYS and Vance has stated he would like to take his crack down to the entire area. 2. The laws he claims to be enforcing are state laws, not NYC regs.

One NYS cutlery company told me that it could affect about 90% of their sales if they were prevented from manufacturing the folders Vance objects to. That may be a bit of an exaggeration but it would certainly have a drastic impact on all of these companies' bottom lines.
 
This might be good news for states like Arizona and Idaho these companies could move to. It could also help move more production to the Far East. I think the NYC AG should be commended for selflessly trying to help people in other states and countries.
 
I hope that every person that opposes knives will die.
 
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Sidehill Gouger said:
1. All of these companies reside in NYS and Vance has stated he would like to take his crack down to the entire area. 2. The laws he claims to be enforcing are state laws, not NYC regs.
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Not any time soon. Going state wide would require the support of the attorney general, and Andrew Cuomo is running for governor. The knife industry is very small for NYS, but very big for the rural counties where the factories are located. Killing off those jobs because the NYC DA says so would be suicidal in an election year. Especially since almost everyone west of the Hudson already feels like the city has too much influence on state policies.
 
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