The "ping" factor.

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I flick the very tips of my knives from various angles with my nail to produce a "ping" sound. The higher tone the harder I assume it is or that it received a credible heat treatment. If it produces no ping but rather a thunk I assume the steel is soft or did not reeive an adequate heat treatment. Right or wrong?:rolleyes:
 
I'm no expert, but it sound's like a "tuning fork" principle, I'd highly doubt that the "ping factor" has anything to do with the heat treating, but more to do with the size, design, and actual material.

Just to test, I grabbed three FBs that have identicle blade metals and were all made at the same time in the same factory. The only differences are that one is entirely blackened and one has a coloured plating on the handle, with the third entirely steel with no plating. All three blades produced different "pings", with the most "thunk"-ish blade being the blackened one.

No idea if it helps any, but that's my 2 cents.
 
This kind of test does typically work with ceramics. The higher the note produced when tapped, the higher the temerature to which it was fired. Now, this is a very subjective test, but it pretty much hold true. If it really thuds, it's probably cracked.

As for knives, there are so many different steels, coatings, thicknesses, etc. out there that I doubt this same test would mean too much. However, if I had a blade that was uncoated, of average thickness, and it made a thud when I tapped it, it might make me look more closely at it for other signs. I may try this later and see what I see.

Of course, I just tried it on my Sebenza and it went "clunk". This is probably due to the fact that the bushings in the pivot act to damper the vibrations. This test probably won't give any kind of reliable results on folders. Edit: This test probably won't give reliable results on any knife for the above mentioned reasons, but folders in particular have the problem of being a broken knife as compared to a fixed blade, so I wouldn't expect this test to... aw hell. It's a neat idea, just don't rely on it.

-Al-
 
Interesting. . .

Never heard of this method of checking/testing heat treat. Must be ruff to have a calibrated finger/thumb nail. ;)
 
I noticed something similar to this when I recieved my first BG-42 knife. It was a custom Buck 110 from Petes. While checking the edge with my thumb across the blade I noticed this.
All my previous knives (including an ATS-34 BM710) when the edge was checked in this manner, the sound was like " shuck, shuck." When I did the BG-42 blade it went " shink, shink."
I just attributed it to a much harder steel than I had ever experienced before.

Alex
 
....and also
A thought just came to mind. If the BG-42 wasn't heat treated more, then I guess the steel wouldn't be harder. So maybe you do have a valid point about the heat treatments.

Alex
 
I don't consider it to be nearly as good a test of blade steel as it is a test of solid construction. Loose fittings and open spaces will damp the vibrations and kill any resonance.
 
It would seem from the responses so far that this simple test has some merit - for me it works on all my full tang fixed blades. No ping on any rubber handled blades except my Fallkniven S1. Blade with highest ping is my Busse Assault Shaker. :)
 
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