The "Post Police"...

Chefget

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Call me silly, but I am the only one who finds the newly-expanded function of our members as "post-police" rather obnoxious?

Granted, some threads should be moved (such as this one
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Kinda like telling your friend "Shouldn't you be walking on the other side of the street, against traffic?"

Don't mean to start flames, just feels like "Mom" is getting a little too involved!
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-Michael

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I think what is happening is that the members are becomming more self policing to help out. The moderators are having a tough job as it is with the traffic we generate so maybe they are just trying to do us a favor.

I know I can use all the help I can get
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I don't mind it so much if the responder at least tries to add a little relevant comment along with a gentle reminder. I think this goes to a bigger problem that as the forums continue to grow things become unwieldy if not properly compartmentalized. Back in the day I read literally every post in most forums. Now, I can only find time to scan the most pertinent ones (to me). If people posted in the appropriate forums it would help to spread out the sheer volume and as interesting threads increased in those areas, perhaps visits would too.

Jack

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I'm one for less governing over more. If the moderators want it moved/closed, let 'em move/close it. Otherwise, just be happy, it that too much to ask?

Brandon

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Amen, amen, amen! Less is definitely more. I'm all for good order on the forums, but come on! Lately, we've hit 9.5 on the "Snivelometer". You should check out AK-47.net for its style of governance. It's much more "rough and tumble" over there. I think our resident "hall monitors" would faint within five Minutes.
Anyway, As MSG Hulka so elequently stated, "Lighten up Francis"
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-redleg out.

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I am finding this thread amusing.....all these people complaining because people complain.
Is this irony or is it irony ?

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BrianWE

I don't want to be right all the time......I just want US to be right more often.
 
I like the "snivelometer" idea.

Guess I'll have to go check out AK-47.net...

RKBA!

-Dave

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Craig Rosebraugh is innocent!
 
We're starting a xxxxxx forum? Wow... You should be careful, there's some minors around here...
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Anyways, I'd hard;y call it constantly. I read a few dozen threads today so far, and this was the only one that had any comment about being moved somewhere, and yesterday I only saw one. If that's constantly, then I want to have to constantly sleep.

Stryver
 
Dave K,
Do you see what I mean concerning AK-47.net?
-Redleg out.

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"Blessed is the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle..." excerpted from Psalms 144.
 
Silly me, and I thought we were pretty laid back...

I don't see much moderation being done, and the few times when a thread is moved or closed, I don't see a problem with it because it's justified.

If a thread belongs elsewhere, it belongs elsewhere. End of story. If you want to post to it, follow it where it went and chime in. It's not like it was just closed.

In the unlikely event that a thread was closed, and not moved elsewhere yet there was something constructive yet to be said, open a new thread.

Uptight and strict are not two words I'd associate with BladeForums.com, guys... so far what I'm seeing here is a bunch of smoke, but no fire to go along with it. It will blow over in a little while, so how about if we all lighten up a bit?

Spark

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...well I know I haven't been "moderating" much lately. My 200MHz computer is having fits generating numerous VxD fatal errors. I know I need to reformat and reinstall, but with over 10Gb of stuff, it's a task I'm not only not looking forward to, I'm postponing as long as possible with band aids like backtracking and installing older versions of my registry, etc.

Sooooo if you all wonder where I've been or why I've not been here much, it's cause I can't keep my machine stable long enough to do much <argh!>. Oh well....

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Has anyone else noticed threads that just disappear? One now in the Auto Forum and a week or so ago in this forum. I thought it was against BFC policy to delete threads.
 
Hi LD,

I ahve been noticing that lately. There was also a post that disappeared from one of the "For Sale Forums" today. I wondered what was up with that. I don't think they are deleating them though, because back when "common folk" still could I deleted some of mine and they completely disappeared from the forums.

Later,
John

P.S. Did any one notice how many "Error" messages were popping up a few hours ago? It was driving me nuts!

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John, I'm not so sure it is an error thing. The thread I first noticed this happening with was the ALLEN BLADE thread, that thread was somewhat of an embarrassment so, gone.
 
It is indeed against our policies to delete threads or posts unless absolutely neccessary....

I've found that when threads typically "disappear", they've either scrolled off the screen, or the person in question simply missed it... and when that's proven, nothing more get's said, though sometimes people miss when the thread turns up instead of it being "deleted".

I think that was the case with the ALLEN BLADE thread, do some searching and see.

People are very quick to jump on the "IT'S BEEN DELETED!!!!!" Bandwagon, despite the fact that we've leave all sorts of threads on the forums, including those that are damaging to us and our reputation. Why do we do that? Because we have nothing to hide, and we'd rather solve the problem at hand, than create a new one by deleting threads and having people accusing us of censorship. We *aren't* like the other forums, folks, we've proven that, over and over again.

If threads are missing, please let me know about it, and I'll do whatever I can to correct that problem. But do us the favor of searching for the thread first, and checking the last few days to see if it's scrolled off the screen... that tends to happen very regularly in the heavy traffic forums like "Knives For Sale: Dealers" and the General forum here. Don't just scream "IT'S BEEN DELETED!!!!" without checking first.

Here's the Moderator Guidelines that I try to send to each moderator we have....

I try to send this out to all new moderators, but here it is just in case I missed a number of you...
Being a good BladeForums.com Moderator, a checklist / guideline

INTRODUCTION
Thank you for becoming a part of the moderator team at BladeForums.com. With your help, we hope to better the knife industry as a whole, and provide the best, most accurate information to our members.

BladeForums.com operates on the laisse-faire system - we try to remain hands off and let the members take care of themselves and each other. As such, they tend to be self policing, and generally well behaved.

Unfortunately, that is not always the case. As such, as moderators it's your duty to try to keep things headed in the right direction.

A list of our rules can be found at this page: http://www.bladeforums.com/rules.html - go there and familiarize yourself with them. I'm sure that everyone agree's that they are not very hard to follow.

Frequently Asked Questions can be found here - http://www.bladeforums.com/faqs/index.html - these give a more detailed explanation of the in's and out's of the site - what we expect, what we do / don't want to see, things to do in Las Vegas, etc. It should answer some of the other questions you may have.

EVERY TEACHER WAS ONCE A STUDENT
Remember, no matter how inane the questions is, no matter how "stupid" it may seem, take the high road and answer it politely. Many of the people on the forums are from countries where English is not the primary or secondary language, so be patient. Also, be ready to admit when you were wrong, as we all still have something to learn.

As with everything else, feel free to lend your opinion, after all, it's part of being a good host. But set the example for the members of your forum and back it up with facts. Use anecdotes if you feel like it, everyone likes to see a practical example of just why "it's done this way for a reason", right?

Information works both ways. Just like you learn from the people on your forums, they are there to learn from you as well. So, do them a favor and get them involved:
  • Share a tidbit of information - whether it's a tip, trick or technique, you'd be surprised just what people don't know, or haven't thought about concerning the littlest things. You might learn something yourself... plus the more information you share, the better they will respond. You don't have to do this every day, but we'd like to see something of interest at least once a week from each moderator. If there are multiple moderators, you shouldn't have any problems with traffic on your forum - you'll be starting a bunch of conversations!
  • Ask questions - see what they do and don't know. Ask what they do and don't like. Make sure they know that their opinions count. You can use the forum to get information you can use for your own business or edification.
  • Give suggestions - No one said sit back and just watch the train wreck happen. If someone obviously doesn't know what they are talking about, set them straight. It's easier to correct bad information when it starts than when it's become ingrained as "truth" through repetition. Just be tactful while doing this.

    Sometimes this will result in an argument breaking out. If that happens, and a moderator needs to step in, notify one of the other moderators on your forum, or Mike or myself, and we'll step in. It's been shown to be counter-productive if you make your statements in an argument and then lock the thread as if to say "So there! Nyaaaahhhhhh!", so don't do it. Let someone else be the heavy.

IT'S A MODERATOR'S LIFE
As previously stated, not everyone acts like an angel. Sometimes laisse-faire isn't going to cut it, and as a moderator you have to step in and take action. We'd appreciate it if all moderators would use restraint when acting within their position - if a member insults you, do not insult them back. If someone is rude, tell them so, and suggest that they modify their behavior. Private email warnings are fine as well, just make sure that you include the URL of the message in question and 'CC a copy of it to myself and Mike so that we can be kept abreast of what's going on. If public and private warnings aren't going to cut it, you might have to step in.

Should you have to take action, there are several options that you have. We'll begin with the links found at the bottom of each thread -
  • Close Topic - This is to be done if the post is sufficiently off topic, or inflammatory enough to warrant it being closed. We typically don't approve of this except when absolutely necessary, but use your best judgement. If flaming is getting out of hand, shut it down, warn all of the participants, and notify us.
  • Archiving / Moving the topic - Unless your forum gets huge, there's probably not going to be a need to archive the topics there, though occasionally you may find a thread that's so good that it warrants being saved. In that case, you should probably archive it. What's more likely to happen is that you'll find a post in your forum that needs to be moved elsewhere - like to the For Sale forums or to the Community center or something. Simply click on this link, and a screen will come up that will ask you what you would like to do: Archive or Move the topic. If you should choose to move the topic, please select the option to lock the thread in your forum, instead of having it deleted, it will prevent the "Where did my thread go?" questions.
  • Delete Topic - The final option. In discussions, this is not to be used unless absolutely necessary, the reason being so that we can refer to the post later should we need to ban that person from the site, or provide justification for banning. You can feel free to use this to delete duplicate threads and such, since everyone likes a tidy forum....
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    In the event that you feel it necessary to delete a post, we would appreciate being notified first. Sometimes a second opinion is needed to justify this action since the thread can not be brought back after it's gone.

These are not the only options you have. As a moderator, you can also -
  • Edit / Delete Post - This option may or may not be available depending on current forum settings. As a moderator, you have the power to edit or delete posts when necessary. Deleting posts is typically done when there are double or triple posts from impatient users. Do NOT delete posts because of their content unless we've been notified and have taken a look (see delete topic above). As for Editing content, the only time this should be done is to fix a "Scrolling Screen of Death", when someone makes a post that causes the screen to scroll sideways. In those instances, go ahead and edit the content to fix this. Remember, when you edit a post, make sure you state why you did so by jotting a note at the end, it will prevent arguments later.

    Please do not edit the content of someone's message. As with the delete function, it will be hard for us to take action against a member if the post is no longer there or edited.

    Again, if the situation starts to deteriorate, warn first, then take action. Use your own best judgement.

Should the situation get heated and you need a second opinion, please feel free to notify myself or Mike, and we'll be happy to look over anything.

We do have the ability to ban anyone from our site should the situation get completely out of control. This is the final option and only the administrators have this ability.

Again, thanks for being a part of the moderator team at BladeForums.com. We hope that we can help you as much as you help us, and are glad to have you as part of the family.

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[This message has been edited by Spark (edited 02-25-2000).]
 
Spark, I did do a search just now and the day after the ALLEN BLADE thread was posted, both times the "Oh oh a missing page" message comes up.
 
LD, was that back when members could delete their own posts, resulting in deleted threads? Just curious, as that's another explanation for it turning up missing.... and why we no longer have that option turned on.... people were blaming moderators and the admins for threads being deleted when it was the person who started the thread deleting it.

How long ago was it posted?

Spark

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