The Prince Revisited (warning: picture heavy)

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Prince Albert (1819-1861), the youngest son of an impoverished German duke, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg (Bavaria, Germany)... AKA Francis Albert Augustus Charles Emmanue was the husband and Prince Consort of England's Queen Victoria (They were first cousins). After much international fencing and footwork they wed in 1840. After his death, Queen Victoria mourned his passing the rest of her life always wearing black.



He was also the namesake of a brand of smoking tobacco introduced by R. J. Reynolds circa 1905. For many years it was a top selling brand of crimp cut pipe and cigarette tobacco.





Over the years a quaint mystery surfaced regarding a set of promotion knives made by Ulster for R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company with Old Timer tang stamps and shields. Records from the tobacco company regarding the old promotion were “canned” when Reynolds sold their interests. Reynolds Tobacco USA sold its Prince Albert, Carter Hall, Apple and Royal Comfort smoking tobacco brands to John Middleton Inc. on April 2, 1987. There was no help from that quarter. All that remained was the tobacco tins and the few inside wrappers involved in the offer. Dennis Ellingsen wrote a nice illustrated piece on sleuthing the knives back in 2002 for the Oregon Knife Collector’s Newsletter. Along with photos of the tin and knives, he included some information gleaned from the historian at Imperial Schrade, and his best guess for the offer dates and patterns based upon the information available at that time was 1964-1966.

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/articles/PrinceAlbert.pdf

In 2006, Larry Vickery took up the torch and, using newly available records and a lot of tenacity, refined both the pattern identifications and the Reynolds Prince Albert offer dates. 1968-1974, the 114 OT-Reynolds, the 10 OT-Reynolds and the 58 OT-Reynolds. This was two years beyond the offer expiration date of December 31, 1972.

More discussions and collector input revealed that not only did R. J. Reynolds offer the three Old Timers with their Prince Albert tobacco tins, but the “Whittler” pattern, the 58OT Ulster, was also offered on matchbooks for Camel Cigarettes.

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/articles/Ulster.pdf

And now I’ve finally been able to acquire the set of three knives and the Prince Albert tin with insert offer for display in my own collection.







But... as fate would have it, I noticed that there was more than one design of the tin bearing the offer.

The first tin, the one I acquired first, is plain on the front, no different than the regular non-offer tins, but with the Ulster knife offer on the back.



The second tin has the same artwork on the back but a yellow “burst” banner ad was placed on the front drawing attention to the offer.



And yet a third tin has the same front “burst”, but the artwork on the rear changed to include an offer of an Imperial knife for $1 in addition to the three Ulster Old Timers.



Now... to I.D. the Imperial knife!



Codger
 
You don't know which Imperial knife it is????:confused:
It is bad enough I have to find a third can, now another knife too?? :grumpy:

It just goes to show that NOTHING is carved in stone with Schrade/Imperial/Ulster, though some things are etched lightly in Jello. :D :D

Dale
 
Did ya ever try to nail Jello to a wall...

The third can evaded me for a while. Thanks to Michael we can start looking for a 4th. (Just teasing)

Im taking down my PA article and posting a copy of the Jello Ad..
TTYL
Larry
 
My wife was cleaning some of our tins we got from my father when he passed away and discovered we also have the tin with the schrade ad on the back. Pretty neat find. Now I know the rest of the story. Thanks for the info!
Along with this tin we also have, now get this, "Parsons Pleasure", "Four Monks", " Three Nuns", with , "Presbyterian Mixture". Now read this as you may.
Tom
 
What now more knives to collect! I scanned in a copy of the tobacco wrapper some while ago, it is rather large although gives good detail. Only now need to get hold of the utility knife to complete the set.

Rusty1

 
The utility is an Ulster 114 pattern with the addition of the Old Timer shield. And when you get it, there are the 114 pattern knives made for Sears. And Coast. Then there is a circa 1967 utility with five blades, the #9555 with a hellacious saw blade:


:D :thumbup:
 
Not in my lifetime. We began with 2004 and worked backwards. 1904 is not really that far back. Let's see...I will be... :eek:

1915:



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Of course, once you have the knives, you need the cans. and to display the cans, you need a...



original Prince Albert store display rack. And a suitable background like a...

original PA advertisement poster. (color coordinated, doncha know. ;) )
 
Glad you like it. Larry (lrv) did all of the really hard work on this. The research he produced (in the link) lays out the secrets of the mysterious tobacco/knife promotion and odd annocedents from the Schrade/Ulster factory.... Well, everything but the identity of the Imperial knife and the fourth can. Now, as for instructions on stacking marbles and nailing jello to the ceiling...

Oh... and as an added bonus to the third can, mine came NIC. Err... old-tobacco-in-can. Yup. Never opened. I was however warned that it was not fit for human consumption. Sold pre-1987. Twenty + year old 'baccy. Should I dump it to get to the wrapper, or put it in my Dr. Grabow Westbrook Briar pipe?



:confused:
 
If your gonna open the pack you might as well use it. I quit 21 years ago but still love the smell of a good pipe. Tobacco that is.
Course you will need to use your Schrade pipe tool to tamp it, stoke it and then eventually clean it to test and report on the tools usefulness as well as the fitness of the tobacco..
Let us know and if we don’t hear from you for a while we'll contact you wife for the arraignments.
TTYL
Larry
 
Actually you can re-condition tobacco. The manufacturers do it all the time. Stales are pulled and reconditioned & mixed in with the new batch. Or so I was told by a tobacco salesman when I was in the business.
Put the tobacco in a jar with a piece of moist (not dripping wet) sponge. Seal the jar & check it a couple times a week & re-moisten the sponge until the tobacco is properly humidified. Then smoke & enjoy.

Dale
 
You can also moisten a small piece of florist's foam with water (yes, filtered or purified would be best)...put it in a small baggy and leave the top open...that way it won't leak on the tobacco, and you just re-moisten it when the foam (or sponge) dries out.

Bill

P. S.
Schrade...for content. :D
 
I'm afraid I haven't the curiosity to recondition antique tobacco and smoke it. Further checking reveals that shortly after the offer was to expire, Reynolds switched from the can to a foil pouch in a fiberboard box. This would make this tobacco circa 1968-72. Gulp... 35 years old!

1972 advertisement

1973 sales header card

The box


As an odd aside, having little to do with the OT offer though, in 1972-74 I was working as a graphic artist at a printing factory in Little Rock. When my production art films were caught up, I worked in the print shop feeding an antique roller printing press. Built sometime before WWI and only modernized with a new electric motor and controls, it printed on sheets of metal. Brass, aluminum and steel. It originally printed Prince Albert cans. This was about the time I bought one of my Walden 165OT Woodsman knives (content).

Adding to the PA/OT display, one must include the rolling papers as well as the Dr. Grabow pipe!



:p

I have a large store pack of these coming and only need a small portion for my own display. Anyone making their own PA offer display and needing a pack, contact me and I'll send them out. I'll post here when they arrive.

 
They may have introduced the box & foil pouch in the early 1970s, but I was still selling the pocket tins in the 1980s. I used to smoke it in the late 1970s.
The tins weren't as common as they had been before, but they were still around.

Dale
 
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