The skills of our fathers.

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Some recent exchanges between my self and fellow formumite marcinek, caused me to have some reflective thoughts today. We were talking about our fathers, and it struck me that in many ways they had been very much alike. I think they must have been from about the same or close, in generation, as they had a similar outlook on simple tooks.

I look back at my fathers generation, and I marval at how little they had in the way of techno gear they would carry on an edc basis. So much of what we consider normal, if not manditory, personel gear had not even been invented yet for them. Yet this was the generation that did so much. No cell phones, computers, multitools, jet airliners across whole oceans in just hours. Instead they used slide rules, wrote letters, and had the nesseary patentence to wait for a return letter.

It was interesting that in a day with no multitools, marcinek's dad and mine both carried one of those round keychhain screwdrivers with the four different size bits around the circufrence. I remember watching my dad fix a gummed up reel on a fishing trip once, using his. the reel was old, dirty, and dad took off the side of the reel with his keychain screwdriver and whittled a very pointy probe with his little peanut. Using the point of his stick he scraped out the gunk that was gumming up the gears. But he was not stopping there. He always had a little stub of a pencil in his pocket, as pens in those days leaked and were unreliable, and he scraped the pencil point with his pocket knife till he had a little pile of graphite and lead dust on the cover to the reel. He then used the point of his peanut to pick up and drop the dust on the moving parts of the internals of the reel. It worked very smooth with his make do dry lub on the gears. His round pocket screwdriver put the side plate screws back in, and we fished away. No mirracle spray super lubes from a can, or pocket tool kit. Just some graphite dust and a keychain screw driver, and some inventivness. I was at Sears today, and they still have them for .99 cents. They seem just like my dads, and get this- they still have "Made in U.S.A" on them!

Marcinek's dad had a nail clipper on his keyring with his pocket screwdriver. His dad being a machinist, I strongly suspect that he found it very usefull as a light duty wire cutter, and the nail file on it would handle small phillips screws as easy as the nailfile blade on a sak cadet.

I wonder in these days of super gadjets and techno approach to almost everything, if we are not loosing something in our nature, to atrophy. The ability to improvise and overcome problems and obsticles using just our wits and common sense. I wonder how the next generation is going to handle things if for some reason their cell phone goes dead, the computer crashes, and they have to do something in an emergency?

They called our fathers generation "The Greatest Generation" because of outstanding human achievment. Victory in WW2, harness of the atom, mans venture into space, and much more. But they seemed to do all this with a common sense aproach to things. When I read the book "Yeager.", I recall General Yeager making the point that alot of his best fellow test pilots were guys who grew up working on things. He himself grew up learning to work on the pumps at the natural gas fields his dad worked at. If a washing machine broke, they had to fix it because they could'nt afford a new one too often.

Like marcinek, my dads been gone many, many years now. He was a better man than me. If he had his pocket knife, a keychain screwdriver, and a little something from the stuff in his pockets, it seemed like he could fix darn near anything.

I don't know about this next generation. I hate to think we're living in the time of Romulus Augustus.
 
Weren't we just talking about the lack of ability of the general populace to recognize and use tools? It's all too common. And we've now got at least two generations of people who've been convinced "you can't do anything without a college diploma", so now we've got tens of thousands of people with diplomas in subjects they hate, and no tradesmen. How many English Lit or Liberal Arts majors does this country need? When was the last time you found a contractor, electrician, or mechanic who actually knew what they were doing, were honest, and would do what was needed to get the job done?

It actually works out for me. I've spent my working life in a corporate setting, and my bosses have always known me as the guy to go to when something needed to be done. I have a knack for getting things done. But I know "the system" (whether we're talking the computer or the organization) and am willing to step outside my "comfort zone" to accomplish things.

My sister once asked me how I managed to do an emergency plumbing repair on Thanksgiving Day, which otherwise would have ruined the meal, when I don't have much experience with plumbing. The answer was, I had to, so I just did it. Too few people are willing to just "try".

Very few people are, these days.

-- Sam
 
Jackknife, I always enjoy your threads and hearing about your experience's. I am part of one of the "next" generations and agree with you. A lot of the kids in the semi rural town I live in don't carry knives, many don't even own one, and if they do it is almost never a slipjoint. Most of them cant start a fire, tie a hook to a fishing line, read a tape measure, swing a maul, or tell .22 round from a 10ga shell. The tech program during my time in high school was in shambles. That being said there is hope. A lot of my buddies are just getting out of the military, and tend be very creative and efficient at doing a lot with a little. I carry one of the screw drivers you mentioned in my wallet, with a needle and waxed dental floss. I also always carry a zippo, bandanna, and a slip joint. I all most forgot my dad is also a peanut/ small jack guy, and has an ancient screwdriver tool on his key ring that has a black patina from years of carry. I guess no matter what generation a working class guy is a working class guy, and some people are resource full and prepared. Great thread and I cant wait to here what other folks say. Joe
 
True words, true words.

I remember as a young kid visiting my grandfather (a machinist) at his apartment in the Bronx. It seemed like there wasn't anything he couldn't do.

Whether it was building something, fixing something, or best of all, inventing something it was always a trip.

I remember the little gadgets he had all over the apartment that he and my grandmother shared and that my mother had grown up in.

He had little homemade gizmos sitting on the radiator that would run from the steam heat. Benches, boxes, and drawers that he built. Even musical instruments that he repaired and improved.

I only wish I had one percent of his talent and ability or more importantly could approach being as good a man.
 
It was interesting that in a day with no multitools, marcinek's dad and mine both carried one of those round keychhain screwdrivers with the four different size bits around the circufrence.

Jackknife,

I still carry mine every day on my keychain. It was given to me in the late 50's when my uncle was in the Army stationed in Greenland. (Knights of the Blue Nose.)

The round cover says: "Find Yourself In The Air Force"
 
I don't know about this next generation. I hate to think we're living in the time of Romulus Augustus.

Let's stay positive. I know what you're saying, and it's hard to disagree -- but let's stay positive.

Every generation adapts to its environment. Let's just hope the old 'get-r-done' attitude is still there beneath the iconography, videogame thumbs, and cellphone ears. :thumbup:

[BTW, I've got my Dad's old keychain screwdriver...and a keychain nail clipper!]
 
Jackknife,

I still carry mine every day on my keychain. It was given to me in the late 50's when my uncle was in the Army stationed in Greenland. (Knights of the Blue Nose.)

The round cover says: "Find Yourself In The Air Force"

I still want one !!! :D
 
I used to carry one of those screwdriver thingys a lot back in 'the' day.

Yep, ingenuity and adaptability are not as prevalent as they used to be.
 
Jackknife,
My Dad was the same way.He retired for a yr.Then went back to work at 65!l.Walked in the ACE hardware store in the Fl.Keys (Mom & Dad retired there)told the mgr.he was applying for the Hustler job...said he was retired,could only earn so much so they couldn't find anyone cheaper.They hired him.One day he was just cking the Machine Shop & the mgr.came in holding a pump & asked him if he knew anything about pumps.Dad said he would look at it...mgr.said he had to send them back to the co.nobody could fix them.Dad brought it up to the mag.said,"it's repaired"mgr was dumbfounded said ...I thought you didn't know pumps...Dad said it was a simple mech.He was put in charge of pumps in the Keys he would go out to boats,pools etc.& repair them He could fix anything! Can you imagine what our fathers could have done with MULTITOOLS!!
Jim
 
Thanks deeply, jackknife....

(mine did the graphite trick too...also Ivory soap on wood screws...)
 
Jackknife makes a great point, skill or the lack of it in our society. However, this phenomenon stems from bigger problems in our country. With the cellphone replacing the pocketknife, I think there is an increasing urgency to retain some traditional values and ,in turn, part of our selves. Having said that, I do believe that our ticket is in our future. If we don't take a proactive role in planing it ourselves, someone else might do it for us.
 
:D My cellphone rides in my pocket with my Case Mini-Trapper, or whatever I might put in its place occasionally. The phone gets scratched up from the knife and pocket change. The seem to get along okay.
 
I wish I was half the man my Father and Grandfather are. Gramps survived having the Germans sink 3 ships he was on at the being of WWII. A jack of all trades he could do anything from Carpenter to Electrian.

My Father knows every knot there is to be tied. If I had only one wish it would be to know what he knows about knots. Also a jack of all trades that never seems to be w/o that Buck 110 he bought back in the early 70's at the PX.

I don't think we will ever come close in our abilities that these that survived the Great Depression did. The avarage male today doesn't seem to have any of the things my Grandfather and Father always had on them. A jackknife, comb and a hankerchief. Today a young male will only have a Ipod sticking out of his skull and nappy head of hair and a ballcap that they never take off even at a resturant. I watch them look around at work for something to cut a string or open a box with and everything comes to a hault for the lack of a knife to cut with.

Its no wonder that we are slipping everyday to countries that are hungry and willing to work hard. Hell, we can't even cut our own lawns anymore and import help of that too.

In the next 20 years the best we ever produced will be gone.

Sad.
 
Jackknife makes a great point, skill or the lack of it in our society. However, this phenomenon stems from bigger problems in our country.

It's not just an American thing. I've spent a great deal of time in the Czech Republic since summer of 1993. As you can imagine, I've seen the transition from communism (when folks had NOTHING and had to make do with what they could get) to capitalism (now there are 20+ malls in Prague and every kid has a cell phone and an MP3 player) up close and personal. If you want anything fixed or built, just ask an older Czech guy, someone who grew up during communism. The younger Czech guys, the ones who were just little kids during the bad old days, may know computers, but that's about it. They might be able to fix their hair or a decent cocktail, but they're not going to be able to fix a blender, or a stereo, or a boiler, or the transmission in a Skoda. But the older Czech guys? Man, they can fix or build ANYTHING!
 
You guys need to get out to the country now and then. There are still plenty of young men who use their hands and know the difference between a screwdriver and an allen wrench. :D

That said, I agree that a lot of skills are diminishing among the general population. Specialization, as much as it helps people focus on a specific skill set, also detracts from the ability to cope with exigencies out of field.

So much depends on what you're taught. I'm as guilty as anyone else of pursuing a very specialized career. But I grew up with men who fixed things. Anything. So I also build, plumb, wire, etc. So will my son, I hope. He already loves tools and "fixing things." My point is that perhaps too many people don't take the time to pass on a love of these skills. People just went and got too damned busy.
 
Adding: A little shop class in high school woudn't hurt anyone, but there's no market for it any more. I was lucky. I grew up in such a small town that there weren't a lot of electives in high school. Even if you were in the college-track classes, you took vocational agriculture classes, which involved 1/2 a year of studying cows and soil and plants and then 1/2 a year of shop, where you learned to cut, plane, weld, and grind. I had 3.5 years of shop in high school and still managed to take chemistry, physics, and trigonometry.

Nowadays, kids don't have time for such electives if they want to get into college. They take 8 languages, calculus, and AP this or AP that. Every waking moment seems planned out.

I think maybe we just stink at how we use our time these days. If young people don't have time to break things, how can we expect them to fix things? :D
 
I read these Threads and feel luck to spend as much time with grandparents as with the parents.

the died (Grandparents) 12 and 17 years ago at 95 and 101 year of age.

and their folks go back here before this was a country.

to have this knowledge pass down has been a real blessing in life.
 
It's not just an American thing. I've spent a great deal of time in the Czech Republic since summer of 1993. As you can imagine, I've seen the transition from communism (when folks had NOTHING and had to make do with what they could get) to capitalism (now there are 20+ malls in Prague and every kid has a cell phone and an MP3 player) up close and personal. If you want anything fixed or built, just ask an older Czech guy, someone who grew up during communism. The younger Czech guys, the ones who were just little kids during the bad old days, may know computers, but that's about it. They might be able to fix their hair or a decent cocktail, but they're not going to be able to fix a blender, or a stereo, or a boiler, or the transmission in a Skoda. But the older Czech guys? Man, they can fix or build ANYTHING!


It's very interesting that you say this. Just the other day we were having a discussin at the range, and some of the old silluette shooters are saying that the newer CZ rifles don't have the quality of workmenship that the old Bruno's did. I was advissed that if I get a CZ rifle, to look for an older one.
 
I too lament the lack of skills and spirit that are so prevalent in today's men. But to be honest, who can blame them? We learned (or didn't learn) from our parents and grandparents. I am part of this young generation, being 30, and although I like knives and am now learning to shoot, I picked up these hobbies on my own. I didn't have any teachers in these areas, I didn't even have anyone to encourage my interests. It wasn't my generation that was in charge when political correctness became the norm.

I am doing my little bit to change it though. Even though he's only two, I've already bought my godson his first knife, a small stockman. You can be sure that he'll know how to use it and keep it sharp. And this weekend I'm going to introduce my eleven year old cousin to my Ruger 22/45 and the joys of shooting.

For all those lamenting the fall of civilization remember that all hope isn't lost. If you are tired of all these clueless young men and women get out and mentor someone. Make sure you spend time with your children and grandchildren so that they learn their values from you, not the television.
 
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