The Survival Signalling Thread

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Originally Posted by skammer
It astounds me that many still do not have signalling gear in their top 3 items or at all. Whistle, mirror etc..
Getting rescued is entirely the point, never forget that.
Skam


SkunkWerx:
The Spaceblanket is one of the biggest (literally) signalling devices you can have with you. Fire/smoke also being high on the list. I don't hold a lot of confidence in signaling mirrors. First it must be daytime. second, it must be sunny.

FIRE as a SIGNALLING Device

As I have said before, If I am in real rough shape, I'll light an 80 foot tree on fire. Fire can work as a signal on a 24x7 basis. It works while you do other things, thats a plus.


SMOKE
-Wet evergreens make a lot of smoke.
-Even a good dousing of water works well to thicken the smoke.
Step one, have a 2nd fire going, or take some buring pieces aside. When you spot a plane, douse that fire so as to make a big plume of smoke.
if you are really planning and preapred, you'll have fresh cut evergreen or a small pile of leaves nearby, ready for signalling.

FLAME
Three fires in a Triangle is the signal for SOS. I would make Triangles as my shape of choice. Morning , Noon and Evening are most likely times for flyovers by small planes. At sun-up, stoke that fire! Same in the late afternoon. Don't be afraid to add a little bit of leaves/evergreens to intensify the smoke.


VISUAL SIGNALLING

A spaceblanket can reflect sunlight, but, can also be a simple visual attention getter.

During the day have your Spaceblanket tied or staked out, facing South to pick up sunlight through the day. You could stake it out on a South facing slope, or, tie it off to some trees at a woodline, or, make a quick "clothesline" to hang it from.
Make sure you crinkle it up real good to create all of those refractory angles. If there is a breeze, tie it in such a way that the breeeze can move it slightly.

Cut off a 6 inch by 6 inch peice and have it in pocket for hand signalling, should a plane come over while you are gathering wood or looking for food.

Use ashes from your fire, or piles of fire wood, to make geometric shapes.
Triangles and squares are mathematical, and shapes not typically found in nature. They can catch the eye from above. I would use triangles since they emulate the 3 fires in a triangle.

Pile some firewood in the open, spell out SOS. Light the piles.
Once they burn, they leave the letters in burnt ash.

Dark Colors contrasting with light colors works well. example: In a tan meadow, make a visual signal using evergreens. I like Triangles.

You can tie a brightly colored peice of clothing onto an 8 foot long stick and wave it. You can even make a streamer out of a space blanket for the same purpose. Some people take orange/red surveyors tape in their pack.

Add ideas and comments below.
 
In the dense woods that characterize our area, a whistle is an especially good idea as an alternative to fire/smoke.

It is amazing how much noise can be created by hitting two hard stones together -- very sharp sound. Hard wood can approach stones in that regard.
 
I keep a whistle on the shoulder strap of pack so it is immediatly accessable should I take a fall and need to instantly alert my partner for example. There are times when digging through pockets or pack isn't an option.
 
In the dense woods that characterize our area, a whistle is an especially good idea as an alternative to fire/smoke.

Yeah, there are many times I would be afraid of starting a large signal fire. Don't want to have to contend with a forest fire if I'm already hurt and need rescue! ;) I just bought one of those Coughlan's whistles with a little compass, thermometer, and magnifying glass built-in. It was $5 or so. Haven't tested the lens yet, but the whistle, compass and thermometer definitely work. Also, the little keychain thingy is a clip-type, like a 'biner kinda... easy to use if your hands are cold, etc. (I'm a sucker for little details like that.)

This reminds me of the story about the greenhorns who got lost while hunting... they fired 3 quick shots into the air to signal for help... several times... unfortunately they ran out of arrows before anyone came to save 'em!! :D
 
This reminds me of the story about the greenhorns who got lost while hunting... they fired 3 quick shots into the air to signal for help... several times... unfortunately they ran out of arrows before anyone came to save 'em!! :D

CRAP! I was hoping no one would have ever found out about that one.:o :D
 
Yeah, there are many times I would be afraid of starting a large signal fire. Don't want to have to contend with a forest fire if I'm already hurt and need rescue! ;)
We had a hunter here in San Diego who started a fire when he got lost. . . San Diego Cedar Fire. I'd rather stay lost. Better, don't get lost, stay found.
 
Exactly, ras... forest fires aren't as much of a danger here (Central WI) but still... it's a serious point to consider.

P.S. mewolf1... I wasn't gonna use your name, I'm not THAT much of a prick... but since you 'fessed up, thanks for letting us learn from your mistake ;)
 
Exactly, ras... forest fires aren't as much of a danger here (Central WI) but still... it's a serious point to consider.

P.S. mewolf1... I wasn't gonna use your name, I'm not THAT much of a prick... but since you 'fessed up, thanks for letting us learn from your mistake ;)
I won't tellem how the Cranberry bogs caught fire.;) :D
 
I carry a whistle tied to my compass. At least that way, when I'm going for a hike I'll be sure to have my whistle because I'm more paranoid about forgetting my compass than I am about forgetting my whistle. I also sometimes carry a signal mirror, but I don't like to do this as often since I find them to be heavy for their usefulness and I'm always worried that I'm going to break them.

In the west, do please try not to use fires to signal for help, at least in the summer time. The 2002 Show Low fire in Arizona (486,000 acres lost) was caused when two forest firest merged to become one giant fire. One of those two forest fires was caused by a stranded motorist who tried to use a signal fire to flag down a news helicopter.

Generally, in the American west conditions are INSANELY ripe for a forest fire during the summer months. This is due to a couple of unhappily intersecting problems. One is a century of fire management that has prevented fires from burning up all the fuel -- there's huge amounts of fuel laying about in the wilderness. Seriously, you have to see it to believe it.

Secondly, there's been a prolonged drought in parts of the west that has resulted in bone-dry conditions for all that dead wood and brush.

And thirdly, over-population in the west means that ever-more people are living in places susceptible to forest fires. When we visit the Sierra Nevada, I'm always bemused to see all the houses built right into the pine forests; often time there will be mature pine trees right up against homes or decks built around the trees. And, of course, there's dry pine needles everywhere. Wouldn't take much to take out an entire couple of neighborhoods.

Under the circumstances, I'd rather stay lost than set a fire and burn down an entire national forest. Especially since they'll bill you for the damage once they catch up to you.

Having said that ....

If you ever experience a car break down and you want to signal for help, oil in a hub cap or other metal container makes a big old heap of thick, black smoke. Something to remember for all you 4-wheelers I suppose.
 
bulgron,

There have been, and will continue to be, a huge amount
of conifers killed by beetle infestation. Authorities are not
doing much about the standing dead wood.

When I pulled into Yellowstone Park in the late 70's, I asked
the ranger about all the standing dead trees that I was seeing.
He said it was beetle kill. They knew the problem and had their
chance to be pro-active. IMO, they did very little.

In 1988 they had a huge fire that involved the surrounding area.
I am still not sure if Nat'l Parks and Forest Service are doing anything,
anywhere in the West. For instance, I do not see anything on TV
about cutting down these trees for lumber or firewood, by companies
or individuals.

Summer through early Fall is the big danger, but now, even a
dry Spring, with some wind, is a danger.

Pay attention to local conditions; they can change daily/hourly;
and be careful of fire.
 
In 1988 they had a huge fire that involved the surrounding area.

I remember that 1988 fire in Yellowstone. I drove through there in the spring of 1989 and a good chunk (though not all) of the landscape was nothing more than charred timber.

It seems that the battle between extremists environmentalists and out of control corporations have prevented this country from enacting reasonable programs on many levels; timber and fire control being just one such example.
 
The point of a whistle is that it travels many times further than voice. and loooong after your voice is gone a whistle still works.

That said not all whistles are created equally. Actually most are poor performers.

Think FOX 40 in orange so you dont loose it or the loudest whistle in the world I know of the Storm whistle. The later is a little bigger but VERY! loud and is what I carry 100% of time in the bush.

Skam
 
Think FOX 40 in orange so you dont loose it or the loudest whistle in the world I know of the Storm whistle. The later is a little bigger but VERY! loud and is what I carry 100% of time in the bush.

Skam

I have the FOX 40, a Storm and a Jet Scream. The FOX 40 is the quietest of the three, but it's so small I'm thinking about fitting it into my PSK as a backup.

The Storm is too darn big. I never figured out a good way to carry it without worrying that I'm going to smash it in my bag somehow. As it is, I've already scratched a good bit of the paint off of it. That said, the thing is ear-splitting (do NOT test it inside a house) so I suppose I should just chuck it in a cargo pocket when I head out.

Currently my normal carry when in the woods is a Jet Scream. It's somewhere between the FOX and the Storm in terms of size and loudness. It's slim enough that it travels well so I have it tied to my compass' lanyard and never leave the pavement without it.
 
I carry the storm on a small carabiner on my pack straps in easy reach.

Its not a pocket whistle granted.

Skam
 
I have a rape whistle somewhere. :thumbup:

It doesn't work. I blew it all the time and no women came to rape me. :confused:

I guess it may work in a survival situation. :eek:

I don't know what good getting raped in the middle of a forest will do me. :D
 
I have a rape whistle somewhere. :thumbup:
I don't know what good getting raped in the middle of a forest will do me. :D

It might put you in that Survival state of mind. ;)


I have done some more reading on signalling, and it seems that I was in the wrong camp on signal mirrors. I had read that they may not have the effectiveness that some claim, however, now, upon reading many articles, I think the Signal mirror is probably something that would be near the top of the list.

Also, I read that using CD's as signal mirrors is at best Fair.
The CD's were measured at about 20% the effectiveness of a real mirror.
SO, if CD's are all you have, go ahead, go for it, but if you are conciously outfitting, spend the few dineros and get a real mirror.

I have been won over to the signal mirror camp.
Will we be roasting marshmallows later on?
 
Signal mirrors are very effective where you have the open country needed. I have a couple of the lightweight and fairly unbreakable Lexan type but recently I picked up a glass version. Great piece of cheap signalling gear. If the sun is out it has a lot more reach than any whistle.
 
Spmething to keep in mind try and learn and remember situation or activity specific signalling.

One time during a wind storm we were blown off the lake and our crew was seperated as sometime happens in the Canadian North storms move in fast and hard. It was our luck that a boat of resort fisherman were going by the overcast made the mirro useless the wind canceled out the whistle and there was no time to start a fire we had just landed and they were starting around the bay and passing us.
In canoeing if you take your canoe and turn it upside down and lean one paddle in the center, that is a distress signal the very first thing we did when going a shore was to position the canoe as such, because that is a constant signal that we do not have to maintain . Two of the fisherman were SAR voluteers and saw the canoe it being a larger object then either of us and saw more specifically the message it was sending.

It is not uncommon for specific activities to have their own style of signalling to ask for help.

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