the thrill is gone

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Handled a new BM bali at the local store recently.

Thought it was a pos.

BM was probably right to deduce that it was a short martket.

I'd much rather have a modern linerlock folder with decent ergonomics..

The MT lcc is unbeatable at any price.

Sorry to rain onm your parade, just my HO.

 
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Well i have a BM42 and an MT LCC. Although i can't say anything about the LCC except that it's near perfect, i still enjoy my BM42 the most. Can't wait to get a BM42A.
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To each his own....
 
I'll hopefully have my MA LCC on thursday....assuming that the UPS gods are smiling at me.

But I still love the BM42...you prolly thought it was a POS because of its weight..flip it about a bit, and you'll see how cool it is....

Can't wait to get a DA LCC though
 
ACK!

Could you elaborate a little on what you disliked about it?

Was it the weight (most people hate that in the beginning), or the material, or the craftsmanship?

C'mon, explore your hatred and share it with us.

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Clay
www.balisongxtreme.com
Because......
getting 'em open
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Form before function...and like Clay's sig says.

I use my Balisong for entertainment(so far). I'm getting some tactical folder to cut stuff.
 
I went to a knife store in the mall t'other day and asked if I could handle the 42 for a bit. The guy looked at me like I was stupid and said "No. You can 'look' at it but you can't play with it."

'Thanks jerk-a$$ you've been so helpful.' I don't know, maybe it's store policy. Still... made me mad.
 
I'm a bit of an exception as I usually get asked to play with the balisongs when I go to a local knife store. But, all of the stores I go to ask the rest of customers not to manipulate the balisongs. Why? Well, most people aren't very good at it and don't do it often enough to be "in practice". Most people haven't tried a variety of knives and can't adapt on the fly to a different knife. And most people are gonna try and show off and go beyond their skill level. The result can easily be a nasty cut, a live blade flying through the air and possibly damaging something or someone, the knife dropped on the floor and damaged, or latch damage to the handles or blade.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
I can understand that. Although they're probably more worried about the knife than my safety. What irked me was how rude the guy was.

Still, it is a mall and a lot of kids who have never touched one probably walk in and ask to play with it.

I'm only 18 so I guess he figured I was just another kid who saw it in a movie.
 
No hatred Clay, just no thrill.

Didn't like the way it felt when I flipped it. Not sure why, maybe weight, and I found the handle play typical of bali's annoying. It's really a subjective thing, it just didn't give me a good feeling.

Is it a good quality bali? Sure.

Aside from the subjective the one fault I did find was the amount of pressure required to squeeze the handles together so I could latch it in the closed position. I thought it was excessive. And it's a also true when one tries to open it. I couldn't just pop the latch, I had to squeeze really hard on the handles to get the latch to disengage.

The LCC feels good in my hand and gives me a good feeeling. When I handle it, I say to myself 'yeah this is right'. Banana handle 1/2 inch thich, sharp edges and slab sided to reduce the tendency to torque in your hand. Feels like it's running on bronze bushings, and I think it is. Opens smoothly and quickly with a kick of the thumb stud. Lock goes to the right spot, disengages easily. Incredible fit and finish. A solid knife.

Bottom line, it's a subjective thing. It's whatever makes you feel good. That bali didn't do it for me.

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Humm... There is a lot of variation in the 42's it seems. I have 4, and 1 of them was perfect with closing and opening latch pressure equal. Both requiring a slight pressure on the handles to release the latch. On the others the difference between the open and closed was drastic. The first set of 42's the tang pin was untouched... the second set one tang pin was mushromed to make it open tighter, and one was made smaller (a mark on each side of the pin) so it would be easier to latch open.

I guess there is a tolerance issue
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resulting in much needed fitting to get them to open and close with an acceptable amount of pressure. Some are this way and some are the other. Makes one wonder... What is the tolerance issue is.

The cups, the pin locations in the blade, or the handle holes for the torx screw asembly. It has to be on of the above. Something is not right IMHO.

Also If you are used to the old Benchmade flippers... the space between the handles in the open or closed positions is much wider in the 42's.

It's easy to adjust the pressure when closed by CAREFULLY removing material from the "Kick", but the adding or removing of material from the cups or tang pin is a different story.
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The old 30's and 45 I have are "jewlery" in comparison. With the open and closed pressures being exactly the same and the fit and finish beyond expectation. Effen amazing!

I have gotten used to the TI feel, and the weight does not bother me anymore. I kinda like it now
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Benchmade makes some very nice stuff.

John in NH

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Well, like said before, everyone has their own opinion about different things. Like it? Then buy it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. One mans junk is anothers treasure. Some people like the 42, some people don't, its just how it goes.

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The problem is that RKnight is trying to compare apples to oranges. You can never expect a Balisong to be a 'better' knife than a plain folder because the bali is a lot more complicated. It has a good deal of friction and stress in several places and is subject, by it's very nature, to a lot of beating around. So of course the LCC is a better knife... it's just not a better butterfly knife.
 
A better knife?! Aw, now you've done it. Them's fightin' words!
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It's comparing apples to oranges really, but the model 42 (the vagueries of quality aside) is a BaliSong while the MT LCC is merely a folding knife. Butterfly knives may have their ergonomic shortcomings, but they are strong, useful, and reliable, but a Balisong is a balisong, and nothing else is. If you like the LCC better than the 42, well, nobody is perfect. I like you anyway, RKnight.
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Not lookin' fer a fight there pardner.
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'Better' knife wasn't exactly what I meant but I couldn't find just the right wording. What I was trying to get across is that if you're comparing folders to balis (as RKnight is doing) then the bali is going to come up short as it isn't meant to be an excellent design or comfortable or even an every day carry. It's only advantage is the ability to flip it.

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I've only got two of them but I have to love them. (the 42's that is)! S = plural not serrated.
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Bought both seperately and found both to be top quality. As far as manipulation... I can flip the box they came in better than I can the POS knives I own.

If your thrill has gone as you have mentioned, I can well understand! Do you really think that it's your tools to blame?

Sabo 29

"Catch you on the flip side"!
 
The rather tight handles that I've been seeing lately are rather annoying. But, they do break in with use.

The weight takes some getting used to. It took me some getting used to.

I have to admit that the 42 was NOT love at first sight for me either. But, I committed to myself that I would live with it for a week and see what I thought after that. Well, it only took a couple of days for the 42 to earn its keep with me.

I was there when Clay tried one for the first time (it was my 42 he tried, in fact). And he was a bit cautious at first too. But, I understand that he's quite pleased now.

It's a different balisong and it takes a bit of adjustment. Furthermore, it is possible that some people just aren't gonna like it. You can't please all of the people all of the time.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
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