The two knives I wanted compare for use as EDC blades

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I decided it was time for me to get a folding knife that was fit for EDC to replace my bulky Cold Steel Recon 1. The two knives that I chose were the Lion Steel Daghetta with G-10 scales, and the SOG Flash II (plain drop point).

I received the Daghetta yesterday (Unfortunately mine is not a D2 model :( ) and the Flash II early today. My first impressions of the Daghetta were odd, it's a nice knife, but it seemed to be dry and with little lubrication when you open the blade. It's also very stiff to open, but I'm sure that can be fixed by adding lubrication and loosening the screws slightly.
The other thing I noticed was the engraving had either rust or dirt in it (took photos of this). There is no blade play in any direction when opened. The blade did come very sharp. A negative, IMO, is the blade steel 440C. While I have heard that some people prefer this to various common folder steels, I do not. I'm aware that it's edge retention is DECENT, but not better than AUS 8. I'm pretty sure the 440C is also what makes the knife itself a bit heavier than the Flash II, but I don't consider this negative. There is also more steel all over the knife (such as steel liners) in comparison with the Flash II, adding another small amount of weight. One advantage the Daghetta has over the Flash II is rust resistance; the Flash II will rust quite a bit quicker.

The Flash II, which came today, was as expected. There is and was no blade play up or down when opened and locked. I've heard of problems with the safety switch moving in-pocket and keeping the blade from opening. It seems that this was fixed as mine doesn't feel like it will have that issue; the switch is either locked or unlocked, it doesn't slide towards the middle. The blade on the Flash II also came very sharp. The blade steel is AUS 8 with SOG's cryogenic heat treatment; the blade will supposedly have better edge retention and less chipping than standard AUS 8 steel without SOG's cryo treatment. I have not proven this, as I have only had it since this morning. As I said above, the Flash II is slightly lighter than the Daghetta due to steel type. This is can positive or negative based on opinion.​


Lion Steel Daghetta:
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The rust/dirt in the engraving:
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SOG Flash II:
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I haven't gotten a chance to test them yet, but they both seem as though they would be great as utility EDC knives. Both came quite sharp out of the box. I'll most likely end up using the Flash II due to better edge retention, I wouldn't want to get the Daghetta dirty anyway.​

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Congrats on getting the new knives Plasmio! Glad to hear that both came with great lockup and sharpness. The logo on the Lionsteel has residue in it as I read a post in the LionSteel forum about this. I think the owner said a little soap and water would take care of it. The stiffness may be there to appease US Customs regs, I don't know for sure, but I will say that my SR-1 was also stiff out of the box, but I rather like it this way. Don't be dissapointed with the 440C as it was a super steel in the 60's &70's. A lot of Italian companies have, and do, use 440C and have probably gotten the ht down to an exact science, and I would not be surprised to find out that the 440C outdoes the AUS8.

I don't really like the folder designs from SOG, but that is just me, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so this is not meant as a diss on you! I do love the Daghetta design though and keep thinking about adding one to my collection. Btw, the steel type is not going to have much, if any, impact on the overall weight of a knife. Things like handle material, backspacer material, along with liners, are going to be the things that impact weight the most. Now this assumes the same thickness and length of the blades. Not saying that one steel can't be heavier/lighter than another, just that it is not going to impact the overall weight.

But the thing here is to enjoy those knives and get to know them!

Again, congrats on two great knives!:thumbup::)


Btw, very nice pics!
 
Congrats on getting the new knives Plasmio! Glad to hear that both came with great lockup and sharpness. The logo on the Lionsteel has residue in it as I read a post in the LionSteel forum about this. I think the owner said a little soap and water would take care of it. The stiffness may be there to appease US Customs regs, I don't know for sure, but I will say that my SR-1 was also stiff out of the box, but I rather like it this way. Don't be dissapointed with the 440C as it was a super steel in the 60's &70's. A lot of Italian companies have, and do, use 440C and have probably gotten the ht down to an exact science, and I would not be surprised to find out that the 440C outdoes the AUS8.

I don't really like the folder designs from SOG, but that is just me, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so this is not meant as a diss on you! I do love the Daghetta design though and keep thinking about adding one to my collection. Btw, the steel type is not going to have much, if any, impact on the overall weight of a knife. Things like handle material, backspacer material, along with liners, are going to be the things that impact weight the most. Now this assumes the same thickness and length of the blades. Not saying that one steel can't be heavier/lighter than another, just that it is not going to impact the overall weight.

But the thing here is to enjoy those knives and get to know them!

Again, congrats on two great knives!:thumbup::)


Btw, very nice pics!
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I actually did forget to mention that the G10 scales are a bit more weighty than FRN/GRN scales. I prefer G10 for more grip and a generally better feel, IMO. I'm actually pretty sure that in this case the steel type does add weight. I'm pretty sure 440C is more dense than higher carbon steels, such as AUS 8
 
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Your welcome on the feedback.

I did a search for a steel chart and what I found is that AUS8 and 440C have a lot in common. AUS8 does contain vandium while 440C does not. There may be a weight difference, but I really believe that it would be so negligible as to not matter. I am including the steel chart that compares the 440C and AUS8 for you to research. If you do find that the weight is substantial please let me know.

Again, glad you are enjoying those new knives!!



Name Base C Cr Mo V W Co Ni Mn Si S P Cu Nb N Tech Maker CC
440C
Fe 0.95-1.20 16.00-18.00 0.75 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.00 1.00 0.03 0.04 0.00 0.00 0.00 US
GIN-1
Fe 0.80-0.90 15.00-17.00 0.30-0.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.45-0.75 0.35 0.020-0.030 0.020-0.030 0.00 0.00 0.00 Hitachi JP
ATS-55
Fe 1.00 14.00 0.60 0.00 0.00 0.40 0.00 0.50 0.40 ? ? 0.20 0.00 0.00 Hitachi JP
AUS-8
Fe 0.70-0.75 13.00-14.50 0.10-0.30 0.10-0.26 0.00 0.00 0.49 0.50 1.00 0.03 0.04 0.00 0.00 0.00 Aichi JP
 
The weight isn't tons more. Just a little, enough for you to easily feel when holding one knife in each hand.
 
The weight difference you're feeling is from the steel liners in the Lionsteel. The blade may weigh slightly more on the SOG due to the dramatic swedge (false upper edge) on the Lionsteel cutting down some of the blade weight.
 
The weight difference you're feeling is from the steel liners in the Lionsteel. The blade may weigh slightly more on the SOG due to the dramatic swedge (false upper edge) on the Lionsteel cutting down some of the blade weight.
No, the Flash II is lighter.
 
No, the Flash II is lighter.

Yes, it should be. The handle is going to be heavier on the Lionsteel than the SOG due to the steel liners. Take the blade off of each and the blade of the SOG should weigh more than the blade of the Lionsteel due to the flat grind compared to the dagger grind. Overall the Lionsteel is going to be heavier because of the handle.
 
Yes, it should be. The handle is going to be heavier on the Lionsteel than the SOG due to the steel liners. Take the blade off of each and the blade of the SOG should weigh more than the blade of the Lionsteel due to the flat grind compared to the dagger grind. Overall the Lionsteel is going to be heavier because of the handle.
Ah, I see. Sorry. Your last post confused me for some reason. I see what you're saying.
 
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