The U.S.K phenomenon and P.O.U discussion

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so for those of you who are not aware of the nutnfacy terms in the title of this thread, p.o.u stands for philosophy of use and u.s.k stands for urban survival kit.just recently i finished an ongoing project idea i got from nutnfancy which is the u.s.k. how ever my urban survival kit dosint necessarily relate to urban disasters but also expands into wilderness survival as well. i carry this backpack loaded full of rope,medical kit,knives,fire kit,water purification and so on, however maybe im taking it a bit far as to be carrying it everyday? i was in a hardware store today and i went to pay for something and opened my backpack to pull out my wallet were the employee saw my overflowing bag of "survival items". i guess he was expecting a bag of school books or something because the look he had on his face was like i had a bomb in my backpack. i told him it was a u.s.k and what that meant. he still looked at me like i just robbed a military surplus store and stashed everything in my bag. but my point is, am i overdoing it by toting around a 15 pound (or more) backpack around? you tell me. do you carry a u.s.k or something similar? what is your p.o.u for your u.s.k?
 
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Yeah you're taking it too far. The odds of needing anything like that walking around town is like getting struck by lightning.

I don't think he's trolling, if I recall correctly this is the Sebenza giveaway kid.

Wrong forum dude.
 
what is nutnfancy ?

nvm , I googled it , I thought for a moment it might be something tantric but with knives ..

improve your skillset and reduce what you carry .. work smart not hard .

workout what are the most likely things youre going to face and prepare for that .. at moment , dealing with a hernia from carrying your emergency gear is sounding like a fair risk ..

You might want to consider adding a smachet ... never hurts to cover all your bases and that is one knife that is good for everything .

add bacon too , you can buy it canned , and it is an essential food , one of the four you NEED to cover for a healthy diet .. pig sheep cow chicken
 
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You carry around a 15 pound backpack everyday on the slim chance something bad could happen? Dont you think thats a bit paranoid? And i thought the altoids kits were impractical...
 
knives4ever said:
so for those of you who are not aware of the nutnfacy terms in the title of this thread, p.o.u stands for philosophy of use and u.s.k stands for urban survival kit.just recently i finished an ongoing project idea i got from nutnfancy which is the u.s.k. how ever my urban survival kit dosint necessarily relate to urban disasters but also expands into wilderness survival as well. i carry this backpack loaded full of rope,medical kit,knives,fire kit,water purification and so on, however maybe im taking it a bit far as to be carrying it everyday? i was in a hardware store today and i went to pay for something and opened my backpack to pull out my wallet were the employee saw my overflowing bag of "survival items". i guess he was expecting a bag of school books or something because the look he had on his face was like i had a bomb in my backpack. i told him it was a u.s.k and what that meant. he still looked at me like i just robbed a military surplus store and stashed everything in my bag. but my point is, am i overdoing it by toting around a 15 pound (or more) backpack around? you tell me. do you carry a u.s.k or something similar? what is your p.o.u for your u.s.k?
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My friend, you are the gentle beginnings of the man who lives in a shopping cart with everything he *might* need ready at all times. Like others said in previous replies, work on your skills and carry as less as you can.

I have a friend of mine who goes "camping" often. He calls it "camping" just so people don't ask so many questions of him. In reality, he's going out into the woods for the night to be one with nature.

But here's the juice of the story: The first time he went camping he brought all kinds of items he might need. A crap-load of gear that made the camping adventure more about packing and less about adventure. Realizing this, he resolved to bring one less thing with him every time he camped, to minimize the amount of items he needed to bring with to take care of himself while still enjoying his night in the stars.

I'd say work on that objective.
 
You are going over bourd just think of K.i.s.s ( keep it simple stupid ) you need to have an edc maybe a sak and a pen and small pad a mobil ( cel) phone with a spair battery a small map showing the police stations . Medical centers . A small torch and small med kit . And a couple of small bottles of water . And cash not cards . And change for if you need to use a land line . I mho
 
Toss that pack in your basement, never admit it's there, and get a girlfriend.:rolleyes:
 
Moved the to correct forum. Some of you jokers need to keep in mind this isn't Whine & Cheese. Post accordingly.
 
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Does your usk include a tin hat? All the respectable one's do.
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Are you not paying attention?

Some of you jokers need to keep in mind this isn't Whine & Cheese. Post accordingly.
 
I have never watched a full N-N-F video, so I really don't know what he espouses. Or who his target audience is. But I can't imagine carrying around a small but heavy (15#+?) backpack everywhere I went on the offchance that something in that collection of junk would save me or others from some uncommonly occuring circumstance. And supposing that I went against instinct and experience and carried such a burden, I don't think any video could convince me to put my wallet in there. I go by the mantra that anything you can own can also be lost or stolen at any time. And my wallet and it's contents are too important to me to put it anywhere other than a secure pocket close to my body.

But to each his own. Such bags, BOBs, preparations seem to me to be more an imaginary game than any preparation for an actual possible/probable need.
 
All I can add is that experience is the best learning.
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Yeah that is probably taking it too far. Or maybe not? It depends on your situation. What kinds of bad situations are you likely to run into in your day to day life? Does your commute take you through so much untamed wilderness that you will need water filtration and fires on your walk home? If not then yes you are overdoing it. There is little point in having wilderness gear in an urban area. Money for a cab ride home beats camping in a city park any day of the week.

I watched that USK video a long time ago and figured nutnfancy was taking it a bit far with his kit too. On the other hand I don't think he was advocating carrying it all the time. It was just a backpack bursting with stuff that he keeps on hand in a cabinet to deal with a myriad of bad events. A toolkit of sorts.

Another thing is do you have the skills to use all the tools you are packing? Do you know how to use all the complex items that go into the advanced medical kits doctors and EMT's carry around? Even if you do when are you going to use them? There are professionals who deal with that sort of thing. Yet another thing to consider is are you certified. Wouldn't want to get sued for incorrectly treating someone's boo-boo. Uncertified folks get sued very easy.

I have been throwing around the idea of bug out bags, vehicle kits and urban survival kits for years now. Never did get around to building anything but a vehicle kit + a "fire evacuation" kit. The vehicle kit focuses on getting me and my vehicle to my destination. Even in extreme cold. The fire evacuation kit focuses on getting out of my home quickly in the event of a fire or similar situation.

The situations I foresee are having to either get home and stay there for a while, or having to leave your home quickly because of some local emergency. Getting home accounts for 99.9 % of the stuff I am likely to experience.

Getting home in an urban environment comes down to having money to get home (cab/train/bus) and having warm comfortable clothes in case you are walking for a bit or all of the way. If I am going anywhere far enough from home that I will not be able to walk home it means that I took the car to get there. That means I can use the items stored in my vehicle to get me home. No extra kit needed.

Leaving home means things are seriously messed up. You will need insurance paperwork and all your other important paperwork to pick up life elsewhere. You will probably also need a boatload of money to start over. The only thing that is likely to drive me out is a local evacuation order. Like some natural disaster is about to hit me, or the fire alarm goes off in the middle of the night.

In an evacuation I'll be heading off to stay with friends and family at one of many back up locations. Leaving on foot is not realistic in my view. I have too much stuff to carry, too far to walk, and it takes too long to get there on foot.

Running off to the woods is not really an option. The woods are cold, wet and miserable and there is no guarantee there will be something to eat except for what you carry in. I like my flush toilets and showers.
 
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