The Ultimate hide-out gun

Someone on the Mythbusters forum wanted to know if it could be lethal
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At least in England
Jonathan Spencer, consultant forensic scientist and firearms expert, said that although the gun, which fires bullets at a speed of 399 feet a second, was tiny, it could still prove fatal and in the eyes of the law was as dangerous as a machine gun.
He said: "The general threshold for perforating the skin is about 330 feet a second.
"Apart from bone, skin offers the greatest resistance to penetration. If it can pass through the skin it is potentially lethal, even if the bullets are small.
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Jonathan Spencer, consultant forensic scientist and firearms expert, said that although the gun, which fires bullets at a speed of 399 feet a second, was tiny, it could still prove fatal and in the eyes of the law was as dangerous as a machine gun.
He said: "The general threshold for perforating the skin is about 330 feet a second.
"Apart from bone, skin offers the greatest resistance to penetration. If it can pass through the skin it is potentially lethal, even if the bullets are small.
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The funny thing is you can buy an air pistol that exerts 6x as much energy on the target without any sort of license... and an air rifle that's 12x more powerful without any form of license also.

Until the end of last year, anything that produced less than 1ft/lb muzzle energy (around that 330fps, obviously depending on the mass of the projectile) was classed as a toy. :D

We have some crap laws :p As soon as I get my own place I'm applying for my Firearms Certificate :)
 
If I did the conversion right, that gun costs about $6,300 USD

And about $9 per shot !

No, thanks.

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United States of America

Our Miniature Revolver ref. C1ST is not importable in the United States.

We have received a letter from the US Department of Justice mentioning that our Miniature Revolver does not meet with the minimum size prerequisites referring to the Factoring Criteria For Weapons ATF Form 4590.

Our revolver therefore is classified as not sporting and is not importable.
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I didn't know that there was a minimum size requirement for guns in America.
 
Gollnick said:
I didn't know that there was a minimum size requirement for guns in America.
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Has been since the the 1968 law, passed in the emotion-charged atmosphere resulting from the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy and the Reverend Martin Luther King made illegal the import of small, personal handguns which could not meet a point system imposed by the Treasury Department. Along with the FN BABY, many other high quality handguns of foreign manufacture were forbidden to enter the U.S.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Isn't hat ironic? Both men killed by a rifle, yet they target pocket guns.

Go figure.
 
True enough. I didn't pay attention to the Kennedy. Still, was it a pocket gun that killed him? I thought it was an Iver Johnson revolver?
 
It was an Iver Johnson revolver, and depending on the model it could have been a pocket pistol. Most of the Iver Johnson revolvers wouldnt be too hard to fit into a pocket.
 
Funny. I have a 38 in my pocket right now I carry every day. What foolishness the laws are.
 
Can you imagine a hold-up man walking into a bar and pulling one of these things out of his pocket?

If he survived the subsequent beating, he'd never show his face in public again.
 
mwerner said:
Can you imagine a hold-up man walking into a bar and pulling one of these things out of his pocket?

If he survived the subsequent beating, he'd never show his face in public again.
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The lethality of that little gun goes up exponentially when fired from within a mans colon!:D He might wish he'd never brought it into the bar.
 
Dogmatic said:
The funny thing is you can buy an air pistol that exerts 6x as much energy on the target without any sort of license... and an air rifle that's 12x more powerful without any form of license also.

Until the end of last year, anything that produced less than 1ft/lb muzzle energy (around that 330fps, obviously depending on the mass of the projectile) was classed as a toy. :D

We have some crap laws :p As soon as I get my own place I'm applying for my Firearms Certificate :)
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Good point. My paintball gun can shoot almost that fast. And I routinely get shot with .68 caliber pellets of paint traveling at 280-300 fps.

I've gotta say, smaller harder projectiles with the same inertia could be, if not lethal, pretty painful. You should see some of the welts friends of mine have gotten from the liquid-filled gelcaps that pop on impact.
 
It is illegal to import that but not the pedersoli percussion bb cap? And what about the NAA mini revolvers they are small enough to fit in a cigarette pack yet they are lethal. I understand that the gun control act of 1968 sees percussion and flint guns as antique replicas but i think you guy's have misread the not sporting aspect of the letter on the swisstoy.
 
And what about the NAA mini revolvers they are small enough to fit in a cigarette pack yet they are lethal.
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They are not imported.

Doesn't matter who you shoot or why you shoot 'em or even whether you shoot anybody or not -- all the law cares about is the date of manufacture and country of origin of your gun.
 
(from Wikipedia)

....The Gun Control Act of 1968 created what is commonly known as the "sporting purposes" standard for all imported firearms, declaring that they must "be generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes." As interpreted by BATFE, "sporting purposes" includes only hunting and organized competitive target shooting, but does not include "plinking" or "practical shooting".[2] Hence, foreign made machine guns and sub-machine guns such as the AK-47, the FN-FAL or the H&K MP5 could no longer be imported into the United States for civilian ownership (however, semi-automatic models of the same weapons were and are permitted).......

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
The Pedersoli percussion cap bb gun isn't a firearm by the BATFE's definition since it doesn't fire a fixed cartridge.
 
Kohai999 said:
Has been since the the 1968 law, passed in the emotion-charged atmosphere resulting from the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy and the Reverend Martin Luther King made illegal the import of small, personal handguns which could not meet a point system imposed by the Treasury Department. Along with the FN BABY, many other high quality handguns of foreign manufacture were forbidden to enter the U.S.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Yup after 68 the Walther PPK could no longer be imported because they were too small (too short actually). However The Walther PP was still big enough. This led of course to the creation of the Walther PPK/S which was a Walther PP frame with the shorter barrel and slide of the PPK.
 
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