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Littoral - close to shore, ie "Green water." Crew of 40.
Fairly lightly armed. Major weapon system is a 57mm Bofors. Has a VLS system, which could have standard SAM or tomahawk missiles. Glad to see that the Harpoon is still in use (I worked at the Naval Surface Warfare Center with the RGM-84 systems.) Rolling airframe missile and CWIS. Mounted 50 cals fore and aft.
Interesting hull design - trimaran. There's your speed advantage. I read anywhere from 40 to 50 knots sustained, up to 57 in sprints.
Might be a fun toy, but I don't think you'd want to have to pay to fill it up with fuel.
Fairly lightly armed. Major weapon system is a 57mm Bofors. Has a VLS system, which could have standard SAM or tomahawk missiles. Glad to see that the Harpoon is still in use (I worked at the Naval Surface Warfare Center with the RGM-84 systems.) Rolling airframe missile and CWIS. Mounted 50 cals fore and aft.
Interesting hull design - trimaran. There's your speed advantage. I read anywhere from 40 to 50 knots sustained, up to 57 in sprints.
Might be a fun toy, but I don't think you'd want to have to pay to fill it up with fuel.
Is this the ship that is supposed to provide support to an MEU during a landing or supporting special missions? So where the *censored* GUNS?!? Missiles are good, but when you need a lot of whoopass right now and for the next several minutes, you need cannon, at the least a 155 or two. A 57mm popgun ain't going to do it.
*shakes head sadly* This thing is going increase the tenancy in a very scenic and historic neighborhood just outside of DC.
*shakes head sadly* This thing is going increase the tenancy in a very scenic and historic neighborhood just outside of DC.
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I can't think of a single bluewater US Navy surface combatant that has ONE 155mm canno, let alone TWO. The Burke destroyers and the Tico cruisers have the standard 5 inch 54, IIRC that's the largest bore cannon afloat. Unless you count the decommissioned Iowa class battleships, with the 16 inchers. Now that's a gun!
The Bofors 57mm Mk3 can spit out 220 rounds a minute. They may be small projectiles, but there's alot of them.
The LCS series also have the SH60 helicopters that can be outfitted with hellfire missiles.
Bear in mind I'm not trying to sell them. Just pointing out the details.
Personally, I'd stick to the 5 inch 54. It ain't a 155, but its reasonably close.
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Say hello to HMS Daring:
A warship that can defend the entire city of London from missile and aircraft attack successfully completed its first Royal Navy sea trial yesterday.
The £1 billion HMS Daring will become the most advanced warship in the world when it enters service with the Navy in 2009.
The Type-45 destroyer, which is already exceeding targets, will now start taking on board Aster missiles, which are capable of knocking down a cricket ball-sized object travelling at three times the speed of sound.
It is also the most eco-friendly ship ever produced for the Royal Navy, with a unique electric propulsion system that can ferry it from New York and back without refuelling.
The most powerful front-line warship since the Second World War has missiles capable of striking the most advanced "intelligent" anti-ship missiles that can travel at Mach 4.
Daring is crowned by a huge 30-metre high Samson radar that can track more than 1,000 targets at once.
The system is so powerful it can monitor all take-offs and landings from every major European airport within 200 miles of Portsmouth.
The ship can engage 12 air targets and will carry Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Officers claim that if it was stationed in the River Thames, its weapon system would be able to single-handedly destroy any incoming airborne attack on Greater London.
During four weeks of sea trials, Daring has achieved 31.5 knots - exceeding a target of 28 knots.
During final trials off the Western Isles yesterday Daring went through her paces smoothly, watched by the defence minister, Bob Ainsworth.
From a standing start she reached 29 knots in just 70 seconds and can come to a dead halt within 800 yards.
She can turn full circle within three ship lengths and has stealth technology that reduces the radar signature to that of a fishing boat.
"She's a beautiful ship to drive, like a souped-up Bentley with very smooth handling," said Lt-Cdr Phil Harper, the ship's navigator
It can also take 60 Special Forces troops, a large Chinook or Apache attack helicopters as well as Merlin anti-submarine helicopters.
The ship left American visitors to the yard on the Clyde "shaken and shocked", according to BAE Systems, its builders.
In the next 10 years, as many as eight T45s could be built, mainly to defend the two large aircraft carriers that were ordered last month.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/15/nwarship115.xml
maximus "Engage the enemy more closely!" otter
A warship that can defend the entire city of London from missile and aircraft attack successfully completed its first Royal Navy sea trial yesterday.
The £1 billion HMS Daring will become the most advanced warship in the world when it enters service with the Navy in 2009.
The Type-45 destroyer, which is already exceeding targets, will now start taking on board Aster missiles, which are capable of knocking down a cricket ball-sized object travelling at three times the speed of sound.
It is also the most eco-friendly ship ever produced for the Royal Navy, with a unique electric propulsion system that can ferry it from New York and back without refuelling.
The most powerful front-line warship since the Second World War has missiles capable of striking the most advanced "intelligent" anti-ship missiles that can travel at Mach 4.
Daring is crowned by a huge 30-metre high Samson radar that can track more than 1,000 targets at once.
The system is so powerful it can monitor all take-offs and landings from every major European airport within 200 miles of Portsmouth.
The ship can engage 12 air targets and will carry Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Officers claim that if it was stationed in the River Thames, its weapon system would be able to single-handedly destroy any incoming airborne attack on Greater London.
During four weeks of sea trials, Daring has achieved 31.5 knots - exceeding a target of 28 knots.
During final trials off the Western Isles yesterday Daring went through her paces smoothly, watched by the defence minister, Bob Ainsworth.
From a standing start she reached 29 knots in just 70 seconds and can come to a dead halt within 800 yards.
She can turn full circle within three ship lengths and has stealth technology that reduces the radar signature to that of a fishing boat.
"She's a beautiful ship to drive, like a souped-up Bentley with very smooth handling," said Lt-Cdr Phil Harper, the ship's navigator
It can also take 60 Special Forces troops, a large Chinook or Apache attack helicopters as well as Merlin anti-submarine helicopters.
The ship left American visitors to the yard on the Clyde "shaken and shocked", according to BAE Systems, its builders.
In the next 10 years, as many as eight T45s could be built, mainly to defend the two large aircraft carriers that were ordered last month.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/15/nwarship115.xml
maximus "Engage the enemy more closely!" otter
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If one can defend the entire city of London, why do they need eight to defend two carriers?
Tell you what Max, we'll be happy to take 4 of 'em off your hands.....
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Say hello to HMS Daring:
A warship that can defend the entire city of London from missile and aircraft attack successfully completed its first Royal Navy sea trial yesterday.
Pretty neat sounding ship, to bad they have to water everything down and portray it in a defensive light only.
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A major problem with modern ships is lack of crew, wonderful when you have few sailors to feed, house and pay, but it sucks when your 100 million dollar boat gets hit by anything larger than a .50 cal. Also, these LCS have a lot of aluminum in them, so no one learned the lessons of the Falkland war. With forty crew, who runs damage control?
Trimaran means speed, but one big wave and that boat becomes a big submarine. she does not have to internal volume to self rescue when she stuffs her bow in a wave at speed. Speed also means they are lightly built, which is also a way of saying poorly armored. Missles and AA are fine, but if you base your beliefs on unsinkable because the ship will not be hit, there is a long line of naval battles you should read up on.
Modern gunnery with radar training also means that guns are the most cost effective way to project force. Fast firing guns may work for small targets, but defeating shipping means you have hit hard and deep, and 3 inch guns do not have the penetration to stop shipping. Furthermore, sometimes you do not want to sink targets but rather immobilize them. A few shots thru the engineering spaces will do that, launching a harpoon will cause massive fires and the likely hood of a sunken vessel.
The suggestion of the 155 is a good one, the 8 inch field gun would be better, but the 155 is the most developed artillery round in the world. Able to fire all sorts of payloads, it can manage AP, HE, SubMunition, extended range, and several other options in MUCH less space than harpoons and other mixed use missiles. Meaning that instead of 30 or so missiles, the gun might have 500 or more rounds available. another benefit is Cost, a current block harpoon runs somewhere over a million dollars a shot. ATK makes 155 rounds in HE for about 600 dollars a round. In other words, for every harpoon, the gun can fire 1650 or so times for the same money.
If the brit ship can only manage 31 knots, she is too slow to run with american carrier groups. Recently an american carrier group left Pearl and made it to the Korean Penninsula in 4.5 days, From anchors up, to on station in some 105 hours or so, which translates to about a 41 knot average. . . Well above posted maximums, but CNN showed them leaving and were reporting them on station only 5 days later.
Trimaran means speed, but one big wave and that boat becomes a big submarine. she does not have to internal volume to self rescue when she stuffs her bow in a wave at speed. Speed also means they are lightly built, which is also a way of saying poorly armored. Missles and AA are fine, but if you base your beliefs on unsinkable because the ship will not be hit, there is a long line of naval battles you should read up on.
Modern gunnery with radar training also means that guns are the most cost effective way to project force. Fast firing guns may work for small targets, but defeating shipping means you have hit hard and deep, and 3 inch guns do not have the penetration to stop shipping. Furthermore, sometimes you do not want to sink targets but rather immobilize them. A few shots thru the engineering spaces will do that, launching a harpoon will cause massive fires and the likely hood of a sunken vessel.
The suggestion of the 155 is a good one, the 8 inch field gun would be better, but the 155 is the most developed artillery round in the world. Able to fire all sorts of payloads, it can manage AP, HE, SubMunition, extended range, and several other options in MUCH less space than harpoons and other mixed use missiles. Meaning that instead of 30 or so missiles, the gun might have 500 or more rounds available. another benefit is Cost, a current block harpoon runs somewhere over a million dollars a shot. ATK makes 155 rounds in HE for about 600 dollars a round. In other words, for every harpoon, the gun can fire 1650 or so times for the same money.
If the brit ship can only manage 31 knots, she is too slow to run with american carrier groups. Recently an american carrier group left Pearl and made it to the Korean Penninsula in 4.5 days, From anchors up, to on station in some 105 hours or so, which translates to about a 41 knot average. . . Well above posted maximums, but CNN showed them leaving and were reporting them on station only 5 days later.
When this class of vessels was first proposed, several of the submitted designs had 155s on them using the binary liquid propellent system that was axed for the Army a few years back. The 5" gun is nice, but the extended range rounds aren't that impressive; compaired to what can be done with 155s, the 3.6" saboted rounds are just sad.
I really hope I am wrong in thinking that this is supposed to be the close-in support vessel.