The ultimate traditional pocket knife?

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Okay, I'm an old fart, I know it. But until relatively recent I never really thought of myself as old. But the increasing list of what is limiting me is growing in a very irritating way. My better half Karen is a great help, periodically reminding me that change is inevitable and even sometimes a good thing. Supposedly, some wisdom comes with age, and even though I fight it, I've learned some things in spite of my stubborn self. Like in knives.

I watched my dad go through the stage where age and arthritis gave him trouble. He had trouble getting the .22 rounds into the magazine of his old Colt Woodsman, he had trouble even opening his little peanut. In the end, he carried a little Christy knife because it was easy for him to deal with, and he liked small watch pocket or keychain size pocket knives. Now it's my turn. First I noticed it with guns, then knives. Karen and I had a Glock for a while, but she has some arthritis issues as well, and the loading of the magazine was a pain. Literally. Down the road it went, and we just fell back to our default place, the Smith and Wesson revolvers. No nimble fingers needed, just open, insert in every round in every hole, close and shoot.

With our knives, it's been the same. Now that I think about it, it's more than a few years since I gave Karen the number 8 Opinel with the hearts all over it. She liked the knife when she got it, but still liked other knives the same. A certain old scout knife, her little Vic classic, a few slip joints. But the last few years that I've been fooling with friction folders, I noticed that my better half of all these years has been paying attention. She's been using her Opinel more and more as her 'main' knife, and most of the time she does not bother to use the lock. I had snugged up the action of her Opinel so as to work more like a dedicated friction folder, and for most of what she uses it for, it works just fine. A cutting tool. Sometimes for food, sometimes opening a box or mail. Karen told me that with her arthritis, the larger round handle was easier to hold while cutting than other smaller handles. The same has been true for me as well. I now find that the smaller knives I love for not taking up a lot of pocket real estate, now are harder of rme to open and use. More and more in the past year, I've been using an Opinel, and the little resolza has become my edc pocket knife. And, it does well at anything I use it for.

So, I got to thinking, always a dangerous thing for me, about all the real working men and women over the centuries who used friction folders to get it done during their workday. For hundreds of years, the friction folder was THE knife for the guy out three woking in the farm fields of France, herding sheep in Northern Spain and Sardina, a woodworker in Germany. Since the 1600's, the old penny folder was the knife of the working classes, and got ti done. While Americans were developing the cattle knife, the premium stockman, the congress, the barlow, the European was using a simple single blade knife that didn't even have a back spring.

Considering all that, can the friction folder be called the ultimate traditional pocket knife?
 
I don't think so. That's because pocket knives are like ice cream. Lots of flavors... I might have a favorite, but I still pine for a few others at times..... they are all still ice cream.

IMO, the same goes with pocket knives. There is no ultimate. There is chocolate, vanilla, cherry, strawberry, peach, black walnut, moose tracks, pistachio, phish food, cherry garcia......
 
I can certainly see where your coming from Carl. I think Woodrow nails it with the ice cream analogy. I think the simple friction folder is certainly all one needs to get by when it comes to a pocket cutting tool. Not ultimate but maybe utilitarian. The base starting point. All you will ever need. Anything else is well, more civilized?
 
I use my #6 Opinel the same way as your wife. In fact I don't think I've ever used the lock on it. It is just a bit to large for me in the pocket to carry offen though. I've been concidering trying the smaller Opinels. I had an operation on my thumb and the stiffer pulling knives still give me trouble. You should have seen me fighting my small knives for the first year after my operation. I'm 48 this year but sure do feel the pain of those that have a hard time with their hands because of age. My father inlaw has it so bad he cann't use buttens anymore.
 
Okay, I'm an old fart, I know it.

You're getting old all right. You're starting to repeat yourself. The ultimate traditional pocket knife? ;)

I watched my dad go through the stage where age and arthritis gave him trouble. He had trouble getting the .22 rounds into the magazine of his old Colt Woodsman, he had trouble even opening his little peanut. In the end, he carried a little Christy knife because it was easy for him to deal with, and he liked small watch pocket or keychain size pocket knives. Now it's my turn. First I noticed it with guns, then knives. Karen and I had a Glock for a while, but she has some arthritis issues as well, and the loading of the magazine was a pain. Literally. Down the road it went, and we just fell back to our default place, the Smith and Wesson revolvers. No nimble fingers needed, just open, insert in every round in every hole, close and shoot.

With our knives, it's been the same. Now that I think about it, it's more than a few years since I gave Karen the number 8 Opinel with the hearts all over it. She liked the knife when she got it, but still liked other knives the same. A certain old scout knife, her little Vic classic, a few slip joints. But the last few years that I've been fooling with friction folders, I noticed that my better half of all these years has been paying attention. She's been using her Opinel more and more as her 'main' knife, and most of the time she does not bother to use the lock. I had snugged up the action of her Opinel so as to work more like a dedicated friction folder, and for most of what she uses it for, it works just fine. A cutting tool. Sometimes for food, sometimes opening a box or mail. Karen told me that with her arthritis, the larger round handle was easier to hold while cutting than other smaller handles. The same has been true for me as well. I now find that the smaller knives I love for not taking up a lot of pocket real estate, now are harder of rme to open and use. More and more in the past year, I've been using an Opinel, and the little resolza has become my edc pocket knife. And, it does well at anything I use it for.

Now you're starting to understand those of us that aren't all fond of the peanut. It's not just the blade, the handle is also important. Look at Ötzi's knife. Attached to the 2" blade was a handle you could wrap your entire hand around.

Considering all that, can the friction folder be called the ultimate traditional pocket knife?

I'll agree with you on that, though perhaps not in the way you envisioned. I don't think the friction folder is the "ultimate traditional pocket knife" if you meant that it is the best achievable or imaginable of its kind. However, I do think that the word ultimate's alternative meaning is very relevant in this case -- "being or happening at the end of a process; final." Friction folders might just be the final type of knife a person carries in his knife-using lifetime, starting an Endura, eventually moving on to a stockman, and ending up with a resolza.

I'll probably end up with a lockback though (I'm contrary like that :D), preferably a #72 in stag that looks a lot like the #73 it's meant to replace. Lockbacks are just as easy to open as a a friction folder.

- Christian
 
Very interesting discussion, as I have very similar issues with my hands. I've noticed too that after a range session with a .45, I can sure feel it in my hand.

On some days when they're really bothering me, I find that going with one of the modern lock backs works for me as the blade is easily pinchable, relatively no resistance during opening, and the blade locking in place gives me piece of mind in the event the knife doesn't want to cooperate in my hand as I'm using it. Has to be the knifes fault right. ;) I've noticed as well that the size of the knives I'm carrying has increased a bit in order to give me more of a grip.

There are also many traditional type knives that are similar, like the Copperlock for instance. And your Opinel is a good choice. This is also one of the reasons I've moved over to the easy open models, and also that I like that old pattern. Easier to open rather than trying to get my fingernail in there. I've found that SAK's are still pretty easy to open.

It's a matter of adapting, even if you'd rather not have to. Fortunately, with knives at least, there are many choices and avenues to explore.

Joe
 
I use my #6 Opinel the same way as your wife. In fact I don't think I've ever used the lock on it. It is just a bit to large for me in the pocket to carry offen though. I've been concidering trying the smaller Opinels. I had an operation on my thumb and the stiffer pulling knives still give me trouble. You should have seen me fighting my small knives for the first year after my operation. I'm 48 this year but sure do feel the pain of those that have a hard time with their hands because of age. My father inlaw has it so bad he cann't use buttens anymore.

I know where you're coming from. I had a thumb worked on som years back, and any folding knife was almost impossible to deal with. I ended up carrying a small sheath knife until I healed up. A small puuko on the belt solved a lot of problems.
 
I've never owned an Opie or even handled one (nor any friction folder that I can recall), so can't really comment on them at. I do know I don't like their appearance at all - just from an aesthetic view they're not appealing to me. Perhaps they are quite useful though, so I may try one out of curiosity some day.

For me at this point (age 50) I find the #15 in any of several of it's variants to be near-perfect. I like 3.5" to 3.75" closed length for a pocket knife. But of course as years accumulate and physical limitations come along we all must adapt to our own needs. In a few years I may be recalling this discussion and finding an Opie in my pocket? :)

I've loved revolvers all my life and that's never changed. Simplicity is one of my favorite themes in life. I admit I do hate change and I like things that just work without a lot of fiddling around.

The "ultimate" pocket knife will vary from person to person based on needs, usage, etc. Over time this will even change also as you've described... :)
 
Very interesting discussion, as I have very similar issues with my hands. I've noticed too that after a range session with a .45, I can sure feel it in my hand.

On some days when they're really bothering me, I find that going with one of the modern lock backs works for me as the blade is easily pinchable, relatively no resistance during opening, and the blade locking in place gives me piece of mind in the event the knife doesn't want to cooperate in my hand as I'm using it. Has to be the knifes fault right. ;) I've noticed as well that the size of the knives I'm carrying has increased a bit in order to give me more of a grip.

There are also many traditional type knives that are similar, like the Copperlock for instance. And your Opinel is a good choice. This is also one of the reasons I've moved over to the easy open models, and also that I like that old pattern. Easier to open rather than trying to get my fingernail in there. I've found that SAK's are still pretty easy to open.

It's a matter of adapting, even if you'd rather not have to. Fortunately, with knives at least, there are many choices and avenues to explore.

Joe

I have similar issues as Joe. Some days only an EO, or an Opie paired with a SAK will do. Have some older slippies that are easy too. Years ago, at first onset of RA, I carried and used a Case Hawkbill with a lanyard attached...it was all I could open. Even a SAKs were too difficult.
 
I think Carl meant that the friction folder was "ultimately traditional", the oldest and thus most traditional design.

This Roman "Swiss Army friction folder" might bear that out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fe-Or-ingenuity-Swiss-beaten-1-800-years.html

I've been reading of his move to frickies with interest. I've got some (different) problems opening slippies myself right now and I've been playing with my Opinels and Svords a lot these days.
 
I think Carl meant that the friction folder was "ultimately traditional", the oldest and thus most traditional design.

This Roman "Swiss Army friction folder" might bear that out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fe-Or-ingenuity-Swiss-beaten-1-800-years.html

I've been reading of his move to frickies with interest. I've got some (different) problems opening slippies myself right now and I've been playing with my Opinels and Svords a lot these days.

I'm glad someone got what I was rambling about.
 
I don't think so. That's because pocket knives are like ice cream. Lots of flavors... I might have a favorite, but I still pine for a few others at times..... they are all still ice cream.

IMO, the same goes with pocket knives. There is no ultimate. There is chocolate, vanilla, cherry, strawberry, peach, black walnut, moose tracks, pistachio, phish food, cherry garcia......

While Carl makes a compelling case for the longevity of friction folders and their usefulness, I agree with you. And if you look at knives as simple tools, there are many, many patterns developed for many reasons. Obviously, the longer the pattern has been around the more useful it must be.

I pick the knives I am carrying for the day depending on the work I am doing. If I am doing woodworking trim work to finish up a remodel, I make sure I have a 4" stockman for those final fits. If I am doing heavier work that and accepting material deliveries that require cutting strapping, or framing a structure, I like a larger lock blade for the extra blade length and sturdiness. If the weather is rainy and wet or extra cold, I pick a knife with grippy G10 scales as well.

If I am doing estimates or office work there isn't any need to carry a large knife although I usually do out of habit. My favorite EDC is a CASE medium stockman or a Barlow. They handle all of my daily needs with ease and I can get it in with stiff fingers and hands. I appreciate the positive "click" to let me know it is open all the way, and the "snap" to let me know it is properly closed. Those two sounds have been with me for almost 55 years, and I rely on them for part of my unconscious audio cues to know all is well.

Robert
 
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