the working edge

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rat 3 --boker yellow bone---boker stag--& gerber silver knight
all carbon except the gerber, edges are hard to photo but these are a few of only a small number coming from the factories ready to work. most factory edges come with marginal bevels. i'm of the opinion that a new knife should at least be able to open an envelope & cut boxes to remove contents.
dennis
 
I agree. :)

If the knife won't cut paper out of the box then there is a problem.
 
It's like everything else, if we keep accepting it, they'll keep doing it.

People buy the knives whether they are sharp or not, so why should they worry about it?

Being proud of your products takes a backseat to the bottom dollar nowadays, it's the facts of life.

Look how long it took to get factory triggers on rifles that are easily user adjustable. Now Savage, Remington, Ruger, Mossberg, Winchester, Browning, all have triggers you can adjust without taking the gun apart.

It only took 50 years of complaining about it get it changed. LOL.
 
It's just not really in the best interest of a company to put the best edge they possibly can on a knife when a large majority of their target consumer base is either not interested in the factory edge because they're going to sharpen it themselves, it's "eventually going to need sharpening", or the surprisingly common "It's brand new, of course it's sharp."

I mean, as far as the people out there that are demanding knives come from the factory as sharp as possible, they seem to be pretty few and far between. I think most people are happier with production knives having the moderately sharp knife because that translates into saving on their end, and they're going to sharpen it themselves anyway. On the other hand, you also have higher-end knives, semi-custom and custom knives to fill in the market for those who do want screamingly sharp edges right out of the box.

Personally I've never really cared how sharp a knife comes out of the box, but it helps when they start out sharp, so I'm not really against a knife company putting extra effort into sharpening it--but not at a significantly higher expense. I think when you get into the realm of other, more expensive knives, that "screaming sharp" edge is just included as a courtesy with the package.

I kind of hate making analogies... But if you buy a car, you come to find that most options you have to pay a little extra for, when really they should be on the car by default to make it as good as car as it could be. What you often find is that, when you pay a higher price for a luxury car versus your economic everyman's-vehicle, you find most of the options that people are paying extra for in those vehicles come as standard for the price you're paying on a luxury car.

Anyway, don't invest too much stock into that analogy, what I mean is that I think that a knife coming with a super-sharp edge right out of the box is kind of a "package" or something to be expected on a "luxury" knife. If you're just picking up the economic everyman's knife down at the hardware store, it's better for it to have only a moderately sharp knife; it keeps prices a bit lower, and it makes still applies to a large group of people: Those that are going to sharpen it themselves and aren't concerned with the factory edge, and those who just don't need anything sharper. From what I"ve seen those two types of people are far more common than those wiling to pay much higher prices for much sharper factory edges. Generally whenever someone is enough of a knifenut to care, they're also enough of a knifenut to get those edges themselves.

Speaking of knifenuts, I think there's a bit of a complex most of us have where we judge a factory edge based on what we would expect from the edges we'd sharpen or the knives we'd make. The issue is that most of us have very high standards for other characteristics of knives, so when it comes to knife edges, I personally think knife nut's set the bar far too high for factory edges to satisfy them.

In all honesty, there are many factory edges that I've seen that are not so far behind that I ever feel a need to sharpen them past liking to do my own profiling and polishing. When it comes to factory edges that are too dull to do the most mundane and expected of tasks (tape,paper,rope,packing) I've really not found a knife company that I can say makes them. They might not pop hair off of their arm or whittle it into decorative statues, but most people do not require this nor even expect it; I remember the first Victornix SAK I got was sharp enough to shave my arm hair, and I never even realized a pocket knife could shave hair and kind of related it to "mythlore" when I'd see western movies or the like showing cowboys shaving with their knives. Imagine my surprise years later when I found out the "impossible" Elmer Fudd hair-splitting axe was actually not as much a tall tale as I thought, watching people whittling hairs, and cutting them in half under gravity.

I mean, I know that most people here would probably prefer to have the sharpest edge possible, I think that we're actually a pretty small reflection of the actual community of people purchasing and using knives. I mean, we're part of a pretty small number of people that even realize knives can do some of those amazing feats of sharpness, yet a lot of the times people act as if this is the only indicator of a "good" edge and that one which simply cuts paper fantastically is only mediocre--not good but not bad. In the grand picture of things, I think that if knives started coming with edges sharp enough to whittle hair and everything, your average user would not even notice.
 
I'm not generally picky about factory edges...as long as they're useable I'll put them into service immediately. If the edge is so god-awful that I can't make use of it, though, it's just one more thing standing in the way of putting a knife to use. I'd be frustrated if I not only had to shell out for a knife but needed to put hours of work into reprofiling an edge just to use a company's product.

Still, it hasn't been a real problem for me. I can only remember three knife blades (one in a multi-tool, one in a hunting knife, one in a dagger, all from Gerber) that were too dull to use out of the box. Every other brand that I can think of has had, at the very least, useable edges on their knives out of the box.
 
I would actually prefer to have no edge on most of my knives from factory, only the primary v grind.

I mean... secondary edge. I also mean that i am hopping in the ''i don't care about the factory edge'' wagon.
 
It's like everything else, if we keep accepting it, they'll keep doing it.

People buy the knives whether they are sharp or not, so why should they worry about it?

Being proud of your products takes a backseat to the bottom dollar nowadays, it's the facts of life.

Look how long it took to get factory triggers on rifles that are easily user adjustable. Now Savage, Remington, Ruger, Mossberg, Winchester, Browning, all have triggers you can adjust without taking the gun apart.

It only took 50 years of complaining about it get it changed. LOL.

That's a good point! I guess I didn't notice that user-adjustable triggers were starting to become more common place. Not having to take your hunting rifle to the smith to adjust break and creep...why didn't they do they long ago? (I believe the longstanding "explanation" has to do with company lawyers warning against "unsafe light trigger pull").

At any rate, I too notice my edges coming from the factory with crazy bevels and varying degrees of sharpness. Geezes, these are expensive knives- can't they spend a little extra time putting a quality edge on them instead of running them through a power tool for maximum production capacity?
 
Yeah the lawyer-trigger thing probably has something to do with dull factory edges.

"If you sell a sharp knife and they cut themselves with it they'll sue!"
 
the point i'm making is one need not expect a hair whittler or mirror polished bevels, but it should be sharp enough to open envelopes. some of the queens & gecs i bought in the last year were literally dull as a brick.
dennis
 
Dennis,

Is that Gerber Silver Knight new production, or one of the older models. It looks rather..."sharp".
 
The best production edge I've owned OOTB is by far the Hogue EX01's. I used to be one who conceded that I can fix a typical factory edge upon receipt of the knife but after receiving these Hogues with their thin, very even edge grind and polished edges right OOTB I decided to raise my standard a little. The Hogues are nearly polished by OOTB standards and very sharp. Check out the edge sheen in these photos. That is 100% factory:

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Yeah the lawyer-trigger thing probably has something to do with dull factory edges.

"If you sell a sharp knife and they cut themselves with it they'll sue!"

Well what about "if you sell that gun with ammo and they shoot themselves they will sue?"

We gotta get out of this era of BS and start living again, even if you do have to fly, or have your rep fly to/from switz.... to get your cash:D
 
Yeah the lawyer-trigger thing probably has something to do with dull factory edges.

"If you sell a sharp knife and they cut themselves with it they'll sue!"

They can sue all they want, but they'll lose. There's a legal concept in just about every state called the "open and obvious" rule. It's a knife -- it's obviously designed specifically to cut things! There's no hiding it -- it's right out in the open and everyone knows it!

At any rate, I like what New Graham does: They ship all of there knives with a supply of bandaids!
 
They can sue all they want, but they'll lose. There's a legal concept in just about every state called the "open and obvious" rule. It's a knife -- it's obviously designed specifically to cut things! There's no hiding it -- it's right out in the open and everyone knows it!

At any rate, I like what New Graham does: They ship all of there knives with a supply of bandaids!


Really? Tell that to the woman who sued McDonalds for millions and WON, for giving her hot coffee that burned her when she spilled it in her lap. That's why the drive thru's have the hot beverage warnings on the window now.

You know she would have bitched up a storm if her coffee was cold.
 
I expect to see crude edges on every knife. Rarely does a knife come with a good edge and when it does I'm pleasantly surprised.
It doesn't bother me, because I enjoy sharpening, but I can see how it could inconvenience your average Serviceman, Sportsman etc.
 
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