The Yin/Yang of life and a leather question

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Greetings fellow forumites! I got the most anticipated parcel from uncle yesterday, and had time enought to do some chopping with it but nothing in depth. UGH
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!! Work, ya' know! Anyway, the Malla is awesome. Beatifully executed. The kamis mark looks like an oil lamp, is this the kami with no name's mark? The only difficulty (far from eath shattering) is the scabbard is dry and a little tight. The back seam at the frog is gaping a little, and I need to know the best way to soften/ loosen the leather without compromising it's ability to take a shine (Ex-LEO --spit shining spoken here). I was thinking about mink oil, but was shying away from neatsfoot. Reveal your deepest leather care secrets! Your input would be greatly appreciated!
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Craig:

The dye used on the sheaths is built up and not polished, so it has a dull surface. If you use any preparation that softens leather (mink oil, neatsfoot, etc.,) be careful not to apply so much that the leather stretches and sags on the wood.

I scrub mine down with a section of T-Shirt (man's most valuable tool, next to the blade
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) wetted with Lexol. This helps the dried leather, and scrubs off the excess dye. IF a section cleans off down to the "brown", I touch it up with Kelly's or Fiebing's leather dye (not polish - these are Milwaukee's second-most useable liquid products). I wait about a week, until the moisture in the wood has had a chance to stabilize from all its travels, and then re-finish the leather.

After Lexol/dye treatment, rub the whole rig down with a dry cloth to remove excess dye (there is ALWAYS some excess) and wax it with Kiwi Neutral polish. The colored shoe polish isn't necessary, and the neutral gives it a better shine on top of the dye. I wear a Hellweg pistol belt that is going on eight years of service. New, they are like wearing a two-by-four around your waist, but this one is so old it is soft now. I've used the Lexol/dye/neutral treatment on it more or less annually, and it shines like a new dime.

The butter lamp is the KNN mark - out of curiosity, is the bowl blank, marked with a single dot, or with a "/\" mark? My Malla is also a KNN, and it would be hard to imagine a better blade.

Don't quite get your "back seam" reference - Not the laced seam on the front? From the texture of the leather in the frogs, and the manner in which they are laced, it is my edumacted guess that these are finishead off the sheath, put on while wet, and allowed to shrink in place. Mine are all tight on the sheath, will only slip about 1" up or down, and the finish underneath appears to bear this out. If the laced seam gaps a bit, I wouldn't sweat it. That puppy is there to stay
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[This message has been edited by Walosi (edited 06-13-2001).]
 
Dear Wal:

Thanks a bunch for the great info
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! I Don't have Lexol or Kelly's, BUT I do have a shop full of old T-Shirts (that's half the battle iddn' it?) Incidently, What is Lexol and where would be the best place to find it?
I looked back at my post and could see that my phrasology wuz a bit confusin'. What I was trying to say was that the scabbard itself was pulled tight and gaping a bit up towards the top where the frog wraps around the back.

BTW The bowl is blank in my KNN mark. I tell ya', Wal, the Malla is a real beaut. 1.5#, 19 1/2 long, 7/16" thick, with 3 1/4 drop. The handle will get your proprietary gun stock treatment, and based on the color variations already present, it'll look great! I must admit, I do have woodchuck in my ancestory.


Uncle Bill: Wow! What a nice rig. It has elicited admiration from all those who've seen it. The blade is hard as a rock and the handle fits the ole meathook like the KNN took measurements. Bravo !It makes getting a year older more palatable
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Craig:

Lexol is a leather conditioner that is highly touted by some good leathersmiths. I've found it at both local Redwing Shoe stores, and first heard about it from Lou Alessi of holster fame. Everyone I know who has a professional opinion swears by it. The dyes are usually found only at good shoe repair shops. Either one is excellent. Don't get it on anything that doesn't look good in black
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If it is the back seam of the sheath itself that has stretched, I would start out by applying the Lexol about 1/4" away from the seam, out to about 1 1/2" on either side, and about 4" along the seam with the gap in the center. I don't believe you will close the gap (unless you soak it, which might be worse than the gap you started with), but it should relax some of the pressure and keep it from getting worse. Don't wet the seam itself - if the holes are softened while there is still a "pull", the stitching could tear.

Do this in light coats, say once a day over a period of ? days, until you see the gap begin to close, and then stop. The softening of the leather will continue for a day or so even after the leather is dry, as the lanolin and other ingredients work in. If you want to close it entirely, you can "bone" the wet areas with the bottom of the bowl of a spoon. This will stretch the leather while it is wet, and depending on how well it is cured, it should set when dry. I suspect this leather is only partially cured, as it is "shrink wrapped" in place, so boning might be very tricky. I've goofed on a couple of over-tight holsters and turned them into quick-draw rigs - quick fall out on the floor rigs (envision red smiley - gotta read Berk's post again).

You've said it all about the Malla. Mine is the one-dot KNN, but these guys are either brothers or learned from the same man and talk to each other a lot. My 12" AK is the "/\" KNN. and the workmanship, side by side, is identical - and GOOD.Like I said in another thread, if we ever do learn their names, they sure as heck won't be Larry, Curly and Moe.
 
Uncle, I can't agree with you more
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! It's great for us youngins' in the world of Khuks ( and other things, for that matter) to have great input from those who've been there and done that. I'm certain the lexol / dye/ neutral wax will have my 10/10 rig up to 15/10 in no time
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Wal, thanks for the most valuable info. I'll keep you posted on the progress. Junior Woodchuck here has the first coat of your gunstock finish on the malla handle and tonight will be the second. It looks great so far and will only improve from here
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I have the Mrs. tracking down the Lexol and dye on her day off tomorrow. I'm sure I'll have to pay dearly for that errand to be run!
BUT if I can show the all emcompassing benefit of Khukuri care and maintainance, her trip to the dark side of the force will be complete! ( yes, for those of you wondering this is another film reference :P)!

This is what happened to jim, Right?
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Well Craig this is what happened to all of us.
Tsimi, however will not admit it.
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And life is so much easier admiting that one has HIKV and joining in the comaraderie with the rest of us rather than trying to use "Research" as an excuse and be the odd man out.
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But then Tsimi is a little bit odd anyway.
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And it gives us someone to pic (on), er convert.

You know the old saying, "
Well I done went and forgot it while I was typing, dayumed senior moments anyway.
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Or maybe it was because I started thinking about khukuris again.
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Yvsa.

"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.
 
"Tsimi is a little bit odd anyway".... One member of this group calling another member "a little bit odd". Think on that for a minute.......................................BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA HOO HAW!!


Sorry
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Walosi I was just tryin' to be nice for a change.
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And come to think of it I think that Tsimi is the only one around here who hasn't admitted to being a little odd.
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Poor Tsimi must be in De-Nile about that too.
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Yvsa.

"VEGETARIAN".............
Indin word for lousy hunter.
 
Using a hair drier helps to speed up the rate at which lexol penetrates.

Do a search on altavista or google and you will get a lot of internet sources for lexol and the dye. They are also both available at Tandy leather supplies.

Will
 
Thanks for the advice, Will. I may have to turn to the net for sourcing on the lexol and dye. My efforts to locate it locally have been fruitless so far.

-Craig
 
Will:

Like I said, don't get it on anything that doesn't look good in black
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I tried to use this as an excuse to get a new recliner in black leather, but got sent to my room. Do all my dye work in the base ment, now.
 
Will:

Thanks for the Info
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I checked out the website, and it looked great, however, it raised another question:
Which of the dyes did you use specifically? The have the Tandy Pro Dye, Fiebings Institutuinal Dye, and the Fiebings Pro Oil Dye. Which did you use (if you can recall) and How'd it turn out?

-Craig
 
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