Recommendation? Thermocouple for HT oven

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Getting ready to make my first HT oven. I've designed most of the circuitry already but I am looking for an accurate thermocouple to top it off, preferably one that works well in a <5V range as that is what my ICs take. Any recommendations?

Oh, and for bonus points, can any of you guys point me to the sort of elements I should get as well?
Any help is always as much appreciated as it is desperately needed.
 
All thermocouples work in the <<5V range.

My choice for HT ovens is type N: developed to be an "improved" K with much less thermal drift. It is Nickel-based, so cost is similar to type K, rather than astronomically high for the Platinum-based types R, S, etc.

Elements are usually wound from Kanthal A1wire. Thicker tends to last longer and 16AWG is about the minimum I'd consider. I've had a couple of element failures on 16AWG and now use 1.6mm (about 14 AWG).
 
For heating elements I have used "Euclids" they have an online store, but it's best to email or call to give dimensions of your furnace so they can wind the proper element length. They specialize in Kiln/Furnace repair parts for the pottery industry.

The best selection of thermocouples would be from "Omega Engineering" be prepared to sift through the catalog it's extensive.
 
All thermocouples work in the <<5V range.

My choice for HT ovens is type N: developed to be an "improved" K with much less thermal drift. It is Nickel-based, so cost is similar to type K, rather than astronomically high for the Platinum-based types R, S, etc.

Elements are usually wound from Kanthal A1wire. Thicker tends to last longer and 16AWG is about the minimum I'd consider. I've had a couple of element failures on 16AWG and now use 1.6mm (about 14 AWG).
Cheers. BTW what wattage does yours run at? How much current/Voltage through/across the elements?
 
best deal for thermocouples https://www.mcmaster.com/#thermocouples/=18d5yc9 I use the K type. in the same area of McMaster/Carr you can find all the connectors and wire you need. For elements, http://www.joppaglass.com/elements/mainelpg.html, also on this page is a link to a good furnace how-to, Dudley's Element Paper which also gets in to watt loading, element mounting, and controls. http://www.duralite.com/store/scripts/prodlist.asp is a good source for elements.
my big furnace is a Lindberg 51442, 4200 watts at 240vac, 20amp breakers. an option would be something like this if you live close enough so you could pick it up rather than ship http://www.ebay.com/itm/K131469-Lin...378658?hash=item3f6c16e222:g:hHoAAOSwFe5Xyfgp I got mine for $90 because it took up space in warehouse.
 
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TCs deliver millivolts, so they are well below 5V. At 1500F/800C a type K delivers 33.5mv.

In prefer heavier TCs - 8, 10, and 12 gauge. The thicker TCs last longer but are slower in response. In some applications, the response time is a problem, but in a HT oven it is not a significant issue.

I use type K because I always have ( and have plenty on hand). I have considered trying type N, as Tim recommended.

Equally important is using the matching type TC wire to connect to the controller. Type K has red/yellow leads, with the red being positive. If using plugs and sockets, they need to be the same type, too. TypeK plugs/sockets are usually yellow.

Callum - I have rolls of TC wire, so if you need some send me an email or PM and I'll send you a length.
 
Cheers. BTW what wattage does yours run at? How much current/Voltage through/across the elements?

I'm in the UK and we have 230V mains here. Our domestic outlets are rated 13A and the standard plug is fitted with a 13A fuse. This gives 3 kW of available power.

I use 2 elements, each wound for 1500W at 120V and wired in series. Coil OD is .380".

The elements are mounted in routed grooves in the sides with 4 horizontal runs per side.

The first few I built were 18"L x 7"W x 6"H internally and used the 16 AWG elements. By about number 5, I'd decided that thicker (and therefore longer) elements would give better reliability. and felt that longer grooves would be wise to accommodate them. I was happy that the power input would cope with a longer oven and added an extra brick to bring the length up to 22.5".

That worked fine.

I'd had a couple of conversations with smiths. One of them had one of my early, 18", ovens and wanted something longer. He only works in Carbon steels and therefore did not need stainless temperatures.

Another came up with the bright idea of building 2 ovens. Normally one would be for Austenitizing, the other for tempering. Each would just plug into a common control box and this would eliminate the need to wait while one oven cools from Austenitizing to below tempering temperature. However, for occassional long stuff, both ovens could be bolted together.

The first smith being happy with Carbon steel temperatures made it pretty much risk-free going to 27" long: if it wouldn't reach the highest Stainless temperatures, it wasn't going to mean a scrapped oven. I was absolutely certain it would easily achieve Carbon Steel temperatures.

I built one, tested it, found it would actually reach 1300 degC/ 2372 degF quite comfortably (this was the upper measuring limit of the Type N thermocouple. The temperature was still rising) and then built another to test the joined-together setup. That also worked rather well.

I think a 31 1/2" oven built the same way and from the same materials would probably reach at least 2200 degF on 3 kW and would therefore be able to handle all but the most demanding of the modern steels.

My preferred thermocouples are Mineral-Insulated assemblies from Omega, using their "Super Omegaclad XL" sheath material. This is a proprietary material rated for use to 1335 degC/2440 degF. I feel it is worth the (fairly small) premium, though I have also used Nicrobell-sheathed MI thermocouples from other suppliers without problems. Nicrobell is rated to "only" 1250 degC/2282 degF.

I usually use transition-joint assemblies to eliminate any potential wiring issues.

For HT ovens, I use type N because long-term accuracy is the priority.

For measuring forge temperatures, I use type K because the extra 70 degC/126 degF of range at the top end gets well into the welding temperature range and that seems more important than the long-term accuracy for the application.
 
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TCs deliver millivolts, so they are well below 5V. At 1500F/800C a type K delivers 33.5mv.

In prefer heavier TCs - 8, 10, and 12 gauge. The thicker TCs last longer but are slower in response. In some applications, the response time is a problem, but in a HT oven it is not a significant issue.

I use type K because I always have ( and have plenty on hand). I have considered trying type N, as Tim recommended.

Equally important is using the matching type TC wire to connect to the controller. Type K has red/yellow leads, with the red being positive. If using plugs and sockets, they need to be the same type, too. TypeK plugs/sockets are usually yellow.

Callum - I have rolls of TC wire, so if you need some send me an email or PM and I'll send you a length.
Thanks Stacy. I'll see about that wire you have once I have worked out exactly what I am going to do. I am getting my degree in mechatronics and physics so I plan to build everything myself. Not that it is more economical, I just needed a project. Right now I have most of the control and interface circuitry worked out but the devil is always in the details I suppose. At least now I know what spec sheets to look for.

Thanks heaps guys
 
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