Things you don't like about your CR knife ?

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When I was doing my pre-purchase research on the net, I noticed a lack of really candid opinions or reviews from CRK owners. You can find the occasional negative review but Chris Reeve knives seems to be kind of polarizing between owners and non-owners. It is a brand that people either hate or love. There seems to be no middle ground. I don't know if it is people not wanting to discuss negatives on a $500 purchase or they don't want to offend anyone. But if these opinions or dislikes aren't mentioned, how will manufacturers know what the dislikes are?

Personally, I don't think a perfect knife exists. When I purchased the Sebenza, I didn't expect a perfect knife. I own a lot of knives and no matter how much I may like a particular knife, there is always some feature or nuance that I dislike or would prefer be done differently. The Sebenza 21 is no exception. A lot of the times these things are small, as with this model, but I have found they always exist.

After having the Insingo for a week now and putting it to some pretty extensive use in the woods and around the house, as well as carrying it in the pocket every day since, I am starting to see some of the subtle things I wish were better or could be changed.

-- My thumb is pretty tore up and I mean that literally. The lock bar retention is pretty aggressive. Combine this with the way the thumb interfaces with the grip and inserts into the cutout on the handle and, for my hands at least, this creates serious tension on the thumbs when disengaging the lockbar.

-- The thumb stud. I really like the stylish look of the volcano style stud but I prefer a more cylindrical design when it comes to use and utility. I just don't like it and I am thinking of perhaps finding a way to replace it with a more traditional cylindrical stud. Again, this may have more to do with the stud placement in combination with the way the thumb inserts into the cutout, but it digs in pretty good.

-- The above results in a knife with adequate but not stellar deployment and closing. To be honest, it is near the bottom of the chain of all my folders in terms of speed of deployment and things like one-handed closing etc. I value these things to a degree. It isn't by any means a deal breaker but something I wish were better. It is as buttery smooth as claimed, but it is not a rapid deployer when compared to other contemporary models on the market. It takes deliberate and precise action to deploy. Cleaning and lubing made things better and I an tell the action is smoothing up more, but still it is not a rapid deployer or anywhere near the deployment action of a Benchmade axis. Perhaps this opinion is due to my own expectations based on what I read. I think I might have confused smoothness with deployment ease and speed.

-- The blue anodizing on the stud is wearing off a bit after just a week of use, which is a bit surprising. If this would happen on a $40 Kershaw, I wouldn't think it worthwhile to even mention and wouldn't give it another thought. But on a $400 knife whose main selling point is quality, tolerances, and craftsmanship, I am definitely not going to be afraid to bring it up. Yes it is only a tiny piece and is freqeuntly in rubbing or pushing contact with the thumb, but it shouldn't start to wear off after only a week. A couple months or a year perhaps. But not a week.

Are any of the above cause for me to regret the purchase? No. I would buy it again and already have a Micarta 21 on the way. The Insingo blade profile and shape is EDC perfection for me. The overall quality and feel is as good as people state. I just think there are things that can be done better.

Just some candid and honest input from an otherwise happy owner.
 
All I can add, is the things that might annoy you grow on you over time. There is compromise in any design, but the compromise in a CRK is a result of a lot of refinement. Take for instance the stud. After a few years of EDCing Sebenzas it doesn't even cross my mind when opening one, but I remember the learning curve. The stud is a compromise between low profile so it doesn't catch on the pocket, appearance, reasonable functionality, and incredible durability (press fit, never gonna fall out), and displays some manufacturing prowess for dudes who like that. It's a compromise of all those things.

In regards to the blue. Titanium is not anodized like Aluminum. In Aluminum annodization, the surface is etched and a dye is applied that soaks into the etch. Titanium anodization is much more fragile. It is done by altering the arrangement of the surface molecules to refract light differently. There is no actual colour, just bent light. For the guys with safe queens, this makes for a gorgeous little bit of blue on their knives. If you are a user, and don't like the look of it rubbing off, you can send a blue-studded knife in for silver studs, or remove the blue yourself with Flitz. It is testament to what a great company CRK is, that they recognize it annoys the heck of some fellas, and will change the studs for a small fee.

I agree with your points, but would give it a little more time. The fanboys, of which I suppose I am one, are not just trying to protect their investments. I mod my CRKs, I use the crap out of them, and they are all basically lower-end as far as resale is concerned at this point. I'm a fan because they are great designs, with the right kind of compromises for my tastes. Personally, I also think they offer great value for what you pay.
 
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I love the thumb stud. The taper fits better. On a cylinder, the corner at the top digs to me.

You (OP) spoke about speed of deployment. The sebenza is not meant to be a tactical fast opening mall ninja flashy thing. It's not meant to be fast or flicked open. Opening it is slow and controlled and actually very natural once you become accustomed to it.

It's definitely not for everyone.
 
I love the thumb stud. The taper fits better. On a cylinder, the corner at the top digs to me.

You (OP) spoke about speed of deployment. The sebenza is not meant to be a tactical fast opening mall ninja flashy thing. It's not meant to be fast or flicked open. Opening it is slow and controlled and actually very natural once you become accustomed to it.

It's definitely not for everyone.

+1 on all of this. I couldn't say better myself.:thumbup:

I suppose the one thing for me is that I don't like the polished Ti slabs at all. I prefer the standard blasted finish of the Plain Janes and the Micartas, which is also why I don't buy any graphic CRK's. I would buy other inlaid Sebs besides the Micarta if the slabs were blasted. This is also the reason I like the Zaans.
 
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The only thing I dislike is that the Sandblasting on my Sebenza scratches so easily. Other than that I love it. U don't care for all the CRK knives, though. The Sebbie 21 is the only one I really love and I just kind of like the Mnandi. CRK would have to reintroduce the OPK for me to fall in love with a current design again.
 
The new sebenza boxes. Everything about the knife itself is perfection.

I also like the regular sebenza over the 21, but a sebenza is a sebenza.
 
There are only two small things that kind of bother me on the CRK's I own(ed). I don't like the polished scale on most inlaid models, I'd prefer blasted and that was a big reason i sold my CF inlaid 21.

The other is mainly just on the fixed blades. I really like the smooth, rounded edges on CRK's but, especially on the OPK's, I wish there were a dedicated 90° edge on part of the spine to easily strike a ferro rod. The swedge works but it doesn't grab like a 90° spine on other blades.
 
In terms of smoothness, how do you guys compare it to other knives in your collection? I think that's maybe where my pre-concieved ideas about what I was going to get somewhat influenced my first impressions after using it a bit.

I think my Sebenza is smooth, but in a different kind of way to my other knives. It is hard to put into words. If you were to slowly open or close the blade until engagement, there is no creep or slightest indications of subtle breaks in the movement due to any imperfections in alignment or centering etc. But the action isn't slick smooth, it is operationally smooth. That's the best way to describe it. Its a bit tight overall and is closer to opening a slipjoint in terms of resistance. As of today, I think my ZT 0561 with bearings is probably the smoothest of my knives overall. My XM-18 is smooth as well but can be a little more gritty in feel to the Sebenza--it lacks the perfection of the Sebenza but it slides out fast.

I know this is all nitpicking and personal preferences but I guess that's part of being a collector, dissecting all the subtleties of a new knife and comparing it to others etc..
 
It looks like your findings as to people's opinions and reviews of the Sebenza are being confirmed heavily by this thread. Things you don't like will grow on you, the knife is perfect, if you like a knife to open and close quickly you like mall ninja stuff, etc etc.

I can give you my thoughts on the one I had:

Handle: I liked the finish, I don't mind scratches. It looked to have good machining also, on the chamfers and such. Unfortunately, I have really wide hands and the sharp angle of the butt was uncomfortable in use.

Blade: I liked the blade quite a bit. I had an insingo, and the blade shape was extremely practical. The swedge made it as good at piercing as necessary, and the sweep of the edge was very useful and seemed easy for sharpening. The grind was even and seemed to be a good slicer.

Opening/closing/lock: You're correct that it doesn't open ultra fast or without resistance. It had a smooth, but slow with resistance similar to a midlock (very similar in opening and closing to my Titanium Native 5). Unlocking was also difficult as you say, with an unusual feeling. It didn't stick hard like some titanium frame locks do, but more seemed to move across the lock face with resistance. It was strange and not a positive thing at first, but I think I might have gotten used to it. It did, however, swing closed once unlocked freely. I prefer washers or bushings to ball bearing pivots, so I would say in general I liked the opening and closing, or could at least come to like it once used to it. It definitely locked with no play at all.

Clip: no complaints.

At the time it was the most expensive knife I'd ever bought, and my expectations were probably unreasonable. I sold it, as at the time I didn't think it was worth the money. I will probably buy another Chris Reeve knife in the future.
 
For me, I prefer the Sebenza/Insingo thumb stud over most thumb-studded knives. I find it comfortable, and have never had any problems with opening my knife with them. Some thumb studs on other knives have sharp edges or such that make them uncomfortable to me.

For me, probably the only thing I would find a negative about CRKs are the convex edge bevels. And even then, YMMV. I own 4 CRKs, and all of my last three have had good, sharp edges on them. My first one, from 2002, came very dull OOB. I had to completely reprofile it. IMO, it might require more care to make a convex bevel sharp on a thin hollow ground blade. I still feel that the blades would cut better OOB if the edge bevels were in a regular V grind. But I guess CRK convex grinds them for more strength, to counter the thinness of the hollow grinds. Anyway, as far as criticisms, that's about it for me.

I don't mind the blue anodizing wearing on the thumb stud. I know as I continue to carry and use my knife, it will show more signs of wear. However, CRKs tend to age far more gracefully than most other brands. I don't consider my CRKs as 'pocket jewelry' as some anti-CRK people like to refer to them. Mine are all plain-janes, and were bought to be used to my heart's content. I don't consider myself a 'fanboy' because I own and use lots of different brands, although my large Insingo is my main one-handed EDC now.

Jim
 
I love the thumb stud. The taper fits better. On a cylinder, the corner at the top digs to me.

You (OP) spoke about speed of deployment. The sebenza is not meant to be a tactical fast opening mall ninja flashy thing. It's not meant to be fast or flicked open. Opening it is slow and controlled and actually very natural once you become accustomed to it.

It's definitely not for everyone.

This^

The new sebenza boxes. Everything about the knife itself is perfection.

I also like the regular sebenza over the 21, but a sebenza is a sebenza.

And This^
 
I don't care for the new packaging either, but it's not a deal breaker. The whole rectangular cardboard boxes were just fine for me.
 
In terms of smoothness, how do you guys compare it to other knives in your collection? I think that's maybe where my pre-concieved ideas about what I was going to get somewhat influenced my first impressions after using it a bit.

I think my Sebenza is smooth, but in a different kind of way to my other knives. It is hard to put into words. If you were to slowly open or close the blade until engagement, there is no creep or slightest indications of subtle breaks in the movement due to any imperfections in alignment or centering etc. But the action isn't slick smooth, it is operationally smooth. That's the best way to describe it. Its a bit tight overall and is closer to opening a slipjoint in terms of resistance. As of today, I think my ZT 0561 with bearings is probably the smoothest of my knives overall. My XM-18 is smooth as well but can be a little more gritty in feel to the Sebenza--it lacks the perfection of the Sebenza but it slides out fast.

I know this is all nitpicking and personal preferences but I guess that's part of being a collector, dissecting all the subtleties of a new knife and comparing it to others etc..

Is this a new knife that you are reviewing?

The reason I question this is that new CRK's need to be cycled quite a lot to get the parts to break in and become smoother as they wear to each other.
 
I love the thumb stud. The taper fits better. On a cylinder, the corner at the top digs to me.

You (OP) spoke about speed of deployment. The sebenza is not meant to be a tactical fast opening mall ninja flashy thing. It's not meant to be fast or flicked open. Opening it is slow and controlled and actually very natural once you become accustomed to it.

It's definitely not for everyone.

Out of all my thumbers, the Sebenza 21 large, is the most natural movement of them all. The action is one motion, without having to re position.
 
I don't like how the scales are polished but the lockbar is blasted on the inlaid Sebenzas.
I wish it was all one or the other.
And the new style box.
And how the Insingo lanyards get frayed.
That's all, though.
 
Just like the old boxes better than the new ones. My ti lock box is almost destroyed.
The old ones were durable and simple.
 
Thumb stud is horrendous folks should stop making excuses about that one.

It's ok to have a different opinion, but not fair to accuse everyone of making excuses. The stud works fine, you just gotta man-up for a bit.
 
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