Got a 4 pin carbon steel one in fair shape for my father in law to clean up. Good stocking stuffer. I liked it so much I thought of getting one for myself. Hard to find the USA made ones but they seem to be more abundant than the LB8 and less pricey. One thing I've noticed while looking at the 7OT's is that the Chinese made ones have smaller diameter rivets holding the derlin handle to the frame. Small detail that I picked up just looking on the bay. Don't want to use my LB8.